JMU 2040 plan draft

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If they want to compete with VT, they need to invest in their engineering program and eliminate some of the liberal arts requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

Yet. VT won’t even play JMU in football because they can’t win. Give JMU 5-10 more years as a R1 and we shall see….

You’re in the sunbelt lol It’s actually because of changes to how the big conferences schedule, you clearly wouldn’t understand. Also, how’s PhD production going at JMU? Research VT PhD output and report back.

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JMU and VT are the only in state options for normal bright kids who want a normal college experience. That's why they are popular and will continue to be popular.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disagreeing with that. But I just don't think it's realistic to half their acceptance rate somehow.

What do you think JMU’s acceptance rate is?

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

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Perhaps not, but UCLA was a branch of Berkeley at one time and has often surpassed Berkeley in rankings in recent years.

UCLA, Berkeley, UVA, and JMU…one of those things is not like the others

Actually, two.

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This is how I see the next 5-10 years...

1. UVA will continue to be UVA

2. WM will be the go to for smart kids who want a smaller liberal arts feel college experience

3. VT will be the top choice for STEM majors (obviously, also UVA)

4. JMU will be in a power 4 conference (plans are already underway) and will be the top choice for Health Sciences/Business (obviously also UVA); JMU is already rated top 25 for undergraduate teaching and knows its needs to build up its graduate programs and research which their plan for 2040 is addressing...

I don't understand why some of the VT crowd is so pressed over the idea of JMU making plans to improve its programming, other than needing to feel superior to JMU, so VT is clearly inferior to UVA.

Oh...and VT has cancelled every scheduled football match up after losing to JMU....but keep saying it is because of the ACC schedule changes for next year....

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

Yet. VT won’t even play JMU in football because they can’t win. Give JMU 5-10 more years as a R1 and we shall see….

You’re in the sunbelt lol It’s actually because of changes to how the big conferences schedule, you clearly wouldn’t understand. Also, how’s PhD production going at JMU? Research VT PhD output and report back.

No one was happier than VT AD Whit Babcock(JMU alum) that the ACC gave him an off-ramp to weasel out of the JMU game. By all means, keep VMI on the schedule. HAHAHAHAHA!

As for PhDs, JMU concentrates on undergrad excellence. It’s why USNWR ranks JMU #22 for Best Undergrad Teaching, just ahead of Georgetown, but further ahead of UVA, Harvard, Berkeley and UCLA. Sadly VT didn’t make the list.

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Anonymous wrote:This is how I see the next 5-10 years...

1. UVA will continue to be UVA

2. WM will be the go to for smart kids who want a smaller liberal arts feel college experience

3. VT will be the top choice for STEM majors (obviously, also UVA)

4. JMU will be in a power 4 conference (plans are already underway) and will be the top choice for Health Sciences/Business (obviously also UVA); JMU is already rated top 25 for undergraduate teaching and knows its needs to build up its graduate programs and research which their plan for 2040 is addressing...

I don't understand why some of the VT crowd is so pressed over the idea of JMU making plans to improve its programming, other than needing to feel superior to JMU, so VT is clearly inferior to UVA.

Oh...and VT has cancelled every scheduled football match up after losing to JMU....but keep saying it is because of the ACC schedule changes for next year....

JMU over W&M (and even VT) for business is hilarious. Is their business program even ranked?

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Hit submit too early. Once W&M adds direct admit to their business school in the next year, I think "top choice for business" is going to be permanently engraved as UVA/WM.

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Anonymous wrote:Hit submit too early. Once W&M adds direct admit to their business school in the next year, I think "top choice for business" is going to be permanently engraved as UVA/WM.

I actually didn't know that WM had a business school...interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Hit submit too early. Once W&M adds direct admit to their business school in the next year, I think "top choice for business" is going to be permanently engraved as UVA/WM.

I actually didn't know that WM had a business school...interesting.

The undergraduate program is top 20 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous wrote:If they want to compete with VT, they need to invest in their engineering program and eliminate some of the liberal arts requirements.

Genuine question: Why would it be smart for JMU to invest in a program (engineering) that's already strong at another institution in VA? Why not differentiate?

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Anonymous wrote:If they want to compete with VT, they need to invest in their engineering program and eliminate some of the liberal arts requirements.

Genuine question: Why would it be smart for JMU to invest in a program (engineering) that's already strong at another institution in VA? Why not differentiate?

Exactly. Engineering is VT’s thing, but the rest of their majors are nothing special.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

Yet. VT won’t even play JMU in football because they can’t win. Give JMU 5-10 more years as a R1 and we shall see….

You’re in the sunbelt lol It’s actually because of changes to how the big conferences schedule, you clearly wouldn’t understand. Also, how’s PhD production going at JMU? Research VT PhD output and report back.

No one was happier than VT AD Whit Babcock(JMU alum) that the ACC gave him an off-ramp to weasel out of the JMU game. By all means, keep VMI on the schedule. HAHAHAHAHA!

As for PhDs, JMU concentrates on undergrad excellence. It’s why USNWR ranks JMU #22 for Best Undergrad Teaching, just ahead of Georgetown, but further ahead of UVA, Harvard, Berkeley and UCLA. Sadly VT didn’t make the list.

You can’t have it both ways. If you want to be a big boy, you’ll need to ramp up research and PhD production. As for football, I hope you like your FCS titles because you’ll never win one in the big leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

Yet. VT won’t even play JMU in football because they can’t win. Give JMU 5-10 more years as a R1 and we shall see….

You’re in the sunbelt lol It’s actually because of changes to how the big conferences schedule, you clearly wouldn’t understand. Also, how’s PhD production going at JMU? Research VT PhD output and report back.

No one was happier than VT AD Whit Babcock(JMU alum) that the ACC gave him an off-ramp to weasel out of the JMU game. By all means, keep VMI on the schedule. HAHAHAHAHA!

As for PhDs, JMU concentrates on undergrad excellence. It’s why USNWR ranks JMU #22 for Best Undergrad Teaching, just ahead of Georgetown, but further ahead of UVA, Harvard, Berkeley and UCLA. Sadly VT didn’t make the list.

There's a R1 VA school ranked #12 on that list that disproves that you can't have both undergrad excellence and higher PHD production/research.