JMU 2040 plan draft

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

DP

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

Half empty stadium even in good years and it's a commuter school.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

DP

You are obnoxious. And I’m the parent of a UVA student.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

DP

Perhaps not, but UCLA was a branch of Berkeley at one time and has often surpassed Berkeley in rankings in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Following up: My concern is that publics in VA are continuing to chase lower acceptance rates and become less and accessible for the state population as a whole. Why do they need to lower their acceptance rate that much amidst a demographic cliff?

How can JMU maintain stable enrollment if they want to reject so many applicants (who are currently being accepted) in the future? They would have to attract a LOT of new applicants, which seems unlikely with the high school population starting to decline.

JMU applications have been up every year for four years.

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They won't have any trouble attracting applicants. They never have.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Following up: My concern is that publics in VA are continuing to chase lower acceptance rates and become less and accessible for the state population as a whole. Why do they need to lower their acceptance rate that much amidst a demographic cliff?

With the common app and application fee waivers, students can easily apply to many schools. Colleges and universities LOVE this because the more applications they receive, the more selective they seem - though the quality of the school hasn’t changed. Schools want to receive as many applications as possible so they look better than they are.

Yep. See: UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Following up: My concern is that publics in VA are continuing to chase lower acceptance rates and become less and accessible for the state population as a whole. Why do they need to lower their acceptance rate that much amidst a demographic cliff?

How can JMU maintain stable enrollment if they want to reject so many applicants (who are currently being accepted) in the future? They would have to attract a LOT of new applicants, which seems unlikely with the high school population starting to decline.

JMU applications have been up every year for four years.

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They won't have any trouble attracting applicants. They never have.

Nobody is disagreeing with that. But I just don't think it's realistic to half their acceptance rate somehow.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

It is embarrassing when VT tries too hard to be UVA, but they're also not intentionally trying to cut their acceptance rate and would actually be more accessible than JMU after this.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

DP

Perhaps not, but UCLA was a branch of Berkeley at one time and has often surpassed Berkeley in rankings in recent years.

UCLA, Berkeley, UVA, and JMU…one of those things is not like the others

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

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Anonymous wrote:14 years from now there will be fewer universities still operating. JMU is obviously planning to remain one of the ones still operating. So, they are targeting areas of improvement that will allow them to be around in 2040. Wise move with reasonable goals.

Lower acceptance rate doesn't really go along with fewer universities. And which VA colleges would have to close to support funding their pet project of tripling housing capacity?

There are already certain VA schools no one wants to attend. Is that JMU’s fault? Makes more sense to close the ones that are losing students year after year.

+1. JMU is a very popular school and serves a lot of bright kids who are shut out of UVA and WM.

But there are many JMU students who aren't UVA/WM shutouts and it's a shame that future students like them will have to attend schools like ODU/Radford/GMU instead because the administration chose to chase shutouts. Unless that 40% acceptance rate involves yield protect that's what this all screams to me

Why is it a shame?

Because a high schooler who really want to go to JMU does not want to go to these. A JMU student wants the "traditional college experience" that's why their football program has caused them to blow up so much. At that point you might as well just go to CC for a year instead and then transfer

Are you kidding me? Are you truly equating Radford/ODU and GMU with the CC experience? You are the problem!!!

No I'm saying it's not worth their time to go to schools they won't be happy at. Please re-read what I said before getting angry.

How do three year olds know where they’re going to be happy? This is a plan for 2040.

Honestly - why are you being so defensive? What's your angle here? DD rejected from UVA and so you want the future prestige boost? I don't understand what's to gain by making JMU serve the just missed students instead of the people that always had it as their first choice.

Someone who wants to go to to a college with football and a residential culture wouldn't be too happy at a bunch of commuter schools. Or living at home as many DMV area GMU students do.

ODU has a football team.

ODU lacks the residential culture and is basically the Mason of Hampton Roads. The other poster has a point. JMU will never pass UVA, so why squeeze out the kids that actually want to be there. They are better off being a school with average students that are thrilled to be there.

DP

Perhaps not, but UCLA was a branch of Berkeley at one time and has often surpassed Berkeley in rankings in recent years.

UCLA, Berkeley, UVA, and JMU…one of those things is not like the others

The point is UCLA was not like Berkeley . . . but now it is.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU wants to be considered a peer of UVA and VT so badly. It’s embarrassing.

VT wants to be considered a peer of UVA so badly that it is embarrassing.

VT is closer to JMU than VT…my DS was accepted at both but not UVA and chose JMU btw…

Not long ago JMU wasn’t R1 and was FCS for football. VT achieved those milestones long before JMU. From a research and athletics standpoint, it’s not close.

Yet. VT won’t even play JMU in football because they can’t win. Give JMU 5-10 more years as a R1 and we shall see….