Black student experience at Maury

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

The academics may be fine-ish, but most UMC blacks folks would do better in a setting with more SES diversity within the black student population or, ideally, a black population that skews UMC (or at least MC) outright. Of course, this is primarily a unicorn outside of curated private schools!

I think the main issue is that by all reports.. DCPS curriculum is super easy compared to other highly rated local counties.. So the lack of black student achievement, outside of at risk.. is just odd. You generally dont see the large swath of black students greatly underperforming their cohorts in Howard County, MoCo, FCPS, Arlington(Wakefield and a few others may skew this) etc.

You have a lot of single parent families that aren’t technically at risk. NOT ALL KIDS IN SINGLE PARENT FAMILIES UNDERPERFORM THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS AND HHI… but it’s a big risk factor,

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived on Capitol Hill and had a black child, I would sooner send them to Friendship Chamberlain (where 3+ CAPE proficiency is 73% in both math and ELA for black students) than Maury, where it's 54 and 66%, respectively. The numbers at 4+ are even more pronounced: 46/56 at FC and 22/38 at Maury.

Since FC is 96% black and 59% at risk, there are a lot more non-at-risk black families there than at Maury (which is 20% black and 18% at risk). I'd rather go through 8th grade at Chamberlain than do Eliot-Hine, too.

Friendship only goes up to 3rd grade so that is not a meaningful comparison. you are comparing Friendship 3rd to Maury 3-5th.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

The academics may be fine-ish, but most UMC blacks folks would do better in a setting with more SES diversity within the black student population or, ideally, a black population that skews UMC (or at least MC) outright. Of course, this is primarily a unicorn outside of curated private schools!

I think the main issue is that by all reports.. DCPS curriculum is super easy compared to other highly rated local counties.. So the lack of black student achievement, outside of at risk.. is just odd. You generally dont see the large swath of black students greatly underperforming their cohorts in Howard County, MoCo, FCPS, Arlington(Wakefield and a few others may skew this) etc.

You have a lot of single parent families that aren’t technically at risk. NOT ALL KIDS IN SINGLE PARENT FAMILIES UNDERPERFORM THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS AND HHI… but it’s a big risk factor,

Yeah, agree on not being overly reductive here, but also agree that the “real” at-risk % (at least in terms of likelihood to manifest in academic deficits) is definitely appreciably higher than the official %.

It’s like official poverty stats — the real economic deprivation numbers are MUCH higher.

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived on Capitol Hill and had a black child, I would sooner send them to Friendship Chamberlain (where 3+ CAPE proficiency is 73% in both math and ELA for black students) than Maury, where it's 54 and 66%, respectively. The numbers at 4+ are even more pronounced: 46/56 at FC and 22/38 at Maury.

Since FC is 96% black and 59% at risk, there are a lot more non-at-risk black families there than at Maury (which is 20% black and 18% at risk). I'd rather go through 8th grade at Chamberlain than do Eliot-Hine, too.

Friendship only goes up to 3rd grade so that is not a meaningful comparison. you are comparing Friendship 3rd to Maury 3-5th.

You can look at the scores for friendship middle, which is in the same building, on the empower k12 site and compare them to Maury and Eliot Hine. Consider how many kids peel off from Maury for basis and latin; I don't think going to 5th grade there is super desirable.

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived on Capitol Hill and had a black child, I would sooner send them to Friendship Chamberlain (where 3+ CAPE proficiency is 73% in both math and ELA for black students) than Maury, where it's 54 and 66%, respectively. The numbers at 4+ are even more pronounced: 46/56 at FC and 22/38 at Maury.

Since FC is 96% black and 59% at risk, there are a lot more non-at-risk black families there than at Maury (which is 20% black and 18% at risk). I'd rather go through 8th grade at Chamberlain than do Eliot-Hine, too.

This is a very smart analysis. I think it’s probably mostly accurate. I’d be very eagle eyed and sharp eared to make sure things were going well, but it’s a good thought.

The idea that a Jack & Jill mom is going to send her kids to Friendship PCS is just funny to me.

Do you think there are a lot of j&j folks at Maury? I would think more at Shepherd, Hyde-addison, maybe key and some dci feeders, or private.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

Curious how this factors?

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived on Capitol Hill and had a black child, I would sooner send them to Friendship Chamberlain (where 3+ CAPE proficiency is 73% in both math and ELA for black students) than Maury, where it's 54 and 66%, respectively. The numbers at 4+ are even more pronounced: 46/56 at FC and 22/38 at Maury.

Since FC is 96% black and 59% at risk, there are a lot more non-at-risk black families there than at Maury (which is 20% black and 18% at risk). I'd rather go through 8th grade at Chamberlain than do Eliot-Hine, too.

This is a very smart analysis. I think it’s probably mostly accurate. I’d be very eagle eyed and sharp eared to make sure things were going well, but it’s a good thought.

The idea that a Jack & Jill mom is going to send her kids to Friendship PCS is just funny to me.

Same. It has to be the same person insinuating black people don’t care if a potential mayor sends their kids to private school.

Like great schools fail black kids that aren’t at risk or have a high needs disability.

I would never send my child to Friendship.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

Curious how this factors?

It doesn’t. This person is so clearly not a teacher. It is more important for a child to see successful black adults. And often the children don’t even share their scores with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the worst part of being a POC in the Maury zone is having white women tell you the best middle and high school for your kids. I didn’t ask your opinion and I’m more than capable of choosing the appropriate school for my kids. Just because you decided to have your kid attend Eliot Hine and Eastern doesn’t mean that I need to make the same choice.

Did you ever think that maybe they were awkwardly trying to be inclusive of you? And hoping a cohort would stick together?

When you say you are leaving the shared space, it can feel like a judgment that the shared space was harmful for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

Curious how this factors?

It doesn’t. This person is so clearly not a teacher. It is more important for a child to see successful black adults. And often the children don’t even share their scores with each other.

Peer effect matter, Fryer has a bunch of papers on this https://www.educationnext.org/acting-white/

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( that’s not the original article but it’s a nice critical commentary)

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

Curious how this factors?

It doesn’t. This person is so clearly not a teacher. It is more important for a child to see successful black adults. And often the children don’t even share their scores with each other.

You don’t think peer groups matter? You don’t think being the only MC non white kid in a class matters? Of course it does. Stop acting like kids don’t see race.

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Maury is heavily IB. If you live IB and are joining in a relatively younger grade, it will be good/fine. If you are talking about joining as an oob lottery student in upper elementary, its a slightly different analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you're going to have a bunch of non-Black people responding to what they think the experiences of Black students are.

This feels potentially true (white Maury parent here). Hope we are wrong though and you get helpful answers. In case not and in case helpful, my kid in 5th has a diverse friend group and when I see them interact in their peer group it all seems focused on their common interests, senses of humor, etc. From what I can see, their experience isn't an outlier. The teaching staff is also diverse. And I'm not sure about going on to Eliot Hine MS but almost all the kids in my kid's class are going there. Hope parents with direct experiences respond and this helps bump up your question!

Is this really true? My kid is in 5th grade at a very similar school in many respects and I am actually struck by how racially divided friend groups are — AA and white/otherr. There are a few UMC Black kids who straddle both groups and who also have their own little social group, but otherwise it is pretty divided along racial and economic lines. Now it’s a friendly school and all of the kids seem to get along fine. There are plenty of mixed race bigger parties. But smaller parties/sleepovers? Pretty divided.

I find it really noticeable because I went to a diverse school growing up, but where race and economics were not so linked and there was not similar racial separation. Because the UMC Black kids are part of both groups, I think it’s SES/class primarily driving it, but it’s apparent.

Anyway, genuinely curious if this is less true at Maury?

The UMC black kids are performing a complex dance of social calibration, the sort of which becomes exhausting and ultimately futile. Life is much easier where there is easy, consistent overlap between your racial and SES group. For UMC blacks, this is never the case in DC public schools — almost universally true for white folks. Social straddling of the sort required by UMC black kids in such environments is just a necessary chore.

Shepherd, Banneker, Duke Ellington?

Charter schools. Dcps doesn’t actually teach black or brown students.

OP Here. Pouring through the minutia of data, i’ve noticed the same across various schools.. it’s really really odd.. I wouldnt put the schools listed in that category though.

Are you looking at test scores? The problem is that race is used as a proxy for SES/highly educated but you need to dig a little deeper. So while for example you can see that white kids at EH do just as well if not better as compared to Deal etc, you can also see that the total percentage of high scores is often greater than the percentage of white kids. Or another way to see it is that at EH your kid is likely (with your oversight) going to do just as well as high SES white kids because you are going to get them into algebra in 7th, monitor their homework, etc. now there may be other reasons you prefer other schools but I truly think you can expect your kid to do just as well.

A black kid might score well. Their parents might expect the child to score well. But will the teachers and administration expect the child to score well? Will he have any same race classmates who are scoring well?

Curious how this factors?

It doesn’t. This person is so clearly not a teacher. It is more important for a child to see successful black adults. And often the children don’t even share their scores with each other.

You don’t think peer groups matter? You don’t think being the only MC non white kid in a class matters? Of course it does. Stop acting like kids don’t see race.

The question wasn’t if they see ethnicity, it was if there’s other ‘smart’ kids of the same ethnicity. No, that does not matter as long as there are plenty of examples of ‘smart’ people of their ethnicity.

Ps. We are all the same race, unless you are a decently smart ape?