I'm preparing to support my kids financially forever

[Anonymous]

Grandkids. That’s hilarious. Gen Z is going to “Children of Men” the world because and just make the most of the crumbs they get as the oceans boil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When my parents started sharing their gifting plan, one of my siblings’ spouses suddenly wanted to stop working and be a SAHD. He was “burnt out”. Another sibling-in-law started sending even more money to their own parents.

Yeah, no. Financial leg up, yes. But not enough that they can afford to not work. We do not have that much money. And if we did, the money would extend outside of our nuclear family to fund the education of our extended family and friends.

I will pay for what I consider basics and some more for my children (college, wedding, car, help with some downpayment for house) and my grandkids (childcare and some family vacations with us).

I don't intend for giving money for private schools and expensive colleges for my grandkids. Absolutely not for anything that my own kids could have saved for. Would I pay for some amazing opportunity in EC if my grandkids had immense talent for it? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grandkids. That’s hilarious. Gen Z is going to “Children of Men” the world because and just make the most of the crumbs they get as the oceans boil.

Well, Grandkids are not going to happen without help and support. That's for sure. We are not going to sit it out and die.

I come from the unbroken lineage of our first human ancestors. I am sure my ancestors saw the worst of worst and still lived. Some lived in the time of peace and prosperity, most in the times of war, disease, famine, rape, slavery and death. So throw in global warming, ecological and societal collapse, AI and whatever. No biggie. Some people and some lineage will survive. But if you don't reproduce then your gene will not survive.

Hey, even billionaires know this. They are using surrogates to create many offsprings now. Also Eugenics.

We will survive because we never had blindfolds on our eyes. The ones who lived off the labor of others and eating the milk and cream - now that group will be fuxed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the rise of AI, I'm realizing that I will need to support my kids financially forever. We are stopping at 2 kids. I'm a doctor and I think aspects of my job are safe but the competition to get into medicine and other AI saf(ish) jobs will be too much. I'm expecting to pay for downpayment, my grandkids, etc. Are you all planning accordingly?

Good for you, doc! Will people get free medical care in the future? Because no one will have money to pay for medical care. Just asking!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough with the ai nonsense.

They're deluding themselves because they have to. Otherwise, what was it all for? What was all the striving and grinding to get Larlo into an Ivy if it's all for nothing?

Everything is going to change dramatically. It's funny to think that education and pedigree will matter much, if at all, in most instances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the rise of AI, I'm realizing that I will need to support my kids financially forever. We are stopping at 2 kids. I'm a doctor and I think aspects of my job are safe but the competition to get into medicine and other AI saf(ish) jobs will be too much. I'm expecting to pay for downpayment, my grandkids, etc. Are you all planning accordingly?

Well, no shit. Since we are not going to live forever...maybe another 20 years (till 80) if we have a good running, we are not thinking forever. But, here is our plan.

- continue living a MC life even though we are UMC.
- pay fully for college (and college years), and make sure that they go to state flagship on merit scholarship. No use wasting money on expensive college when jobs are going to go away. Make them major in in-demand major. Encourage them to continue to get more education and skills to become more resilient.
- pay fully for their wedding.
- pay fully for setting up their first rented apartment when they get a job in another city - furniture, furnishing, gadgets and appliances, all digital devices, sports gear, exercise gear, luggage, first professional wardrobe. First 6 months of rent. New car. 20K seed money.
- let the kids stay free with us in our home for as long as they want. Including their spouse and kids. If they want to stay forever? Ok.
- provide childcare, pay for a nanny and cleaner if they are living away from us and have small kids.
- let them stay on our medical insurance until they are 25. Even if they are working.
- make them bank 2 years of their salary first, before they get married. encourage them to find the right partner and marry early. encourage them to date for marriage.
- be open to building an ADU in our backyard or extending our house.
- let our savings remain as is, live/save our fat pension, give them the non-taxable cash gift each year.

WTF am I reading? Are your kids incapable idiots?

Nope. Extremely capable kids.

Just giving them the economic leg-ups in their youth that we can afford to give. We are not wealthy, we are slightly UMC.

Oh - we will also buy personal robots powered by AI for them and us - 40K a pop - if it ever comes on the market. The subsequent savings and benefits will be enormous.

Paying for their house cleaner?? You sound insane. If my kid was incapable of supporting themselves I certainly wouldn’t be encouraging them to get married and procreate

[Anonymous]

Kids with no jobs don't need robot servants.
Who will support your great grandkids?
Stop breeding if that's your plan.

[Anonymous]

I think the challenge is that OUR kids will be in the generation where there are dramatically fewer jobs and countries won’t have sorted out UBI yet. This will be a real problem. I’m glad we happen to have a house with an in law suite where my kid can live if she needs to do so. I do think multigenerational living will come back as a cultural norm in the US over the next 30 years.

And I do agree with the French Revolution poster. We have a rapidly shrinking middle class. History tells you the the peasants ALWAYS revolt eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When my parents started sharing their gifting plan, one of my siblings’ spouses suddenly wanted to stop working and be a SAHD. He was “burnt out”. Another sibling-in-law started sending even more money to their own parents.

That’s easy to avoid if it bothers them. Rich parents had an irrevocable trust for our children and put money in it every year. We would send info on what they needed and they would send the money directly to the camp or activity or whatever it was. Parents paid directly schools. We would get yearly gifting but that’s not enough to just quit a job. They bought us a house and other necessities but we still had to work to pay taxes, heat, etc.

They created generation skipping trusts . Now that they are gone their children get generous yearly payments and the grandchildren each have their separate money in trusts for their needs. Their future great grand children are covered too.

They were in the top 1% but you don’t need to be. Why can’t you wealthy people make arrangements where you supplement their income and save some for future grandchildren. Don’t hold onto all your money until you’re old.

[Anonymous]

Do you seriously think our AI overlords are big on UBI? They will see the planet and each species as important and we are just one species with too many negative externalities. AIs will undo filial piety rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grandkids. That’s hilarious. Gen Z is going to “Children of Men” the world because and just make the most of the crumbs they get as the oceans boil.

Well, Grandkids are not going to happen without help and support. That's for sure. We are not going to sit it out and die.

I come from the unbroken lineage of our first human ancestors. I am sure my ancestors saw the worst of worst and still lived. Some lived in the time of peace and prosperity, most in the times of war, disease, famine, rape, slavery and death. So throw in global warming, ecological and societal collapse, AI and whatever. No biggie. Some people and some lineage will survive. But if you don't reproduce then your gene will not survive.

Hey, even billionaires know this. They are using surrogates to create many offsprings now. Also Eugenics.

We will survive because we never had blindfolds on our eyes. The ones who lived off the labor of others and eating the milk and cream - now that group will be fuxed.

Billionaires and eugenics? What idiot thinks that’s a good idea. Elon Musk has some mental illness and he wants 50 kids. That’s not a man with all his facilities. Trump is a billionaire thanks to corruption, shakedowns and illegal dealings. His offspring already offer nothing to this world. Ivanka married into another corrupt family whose sole reason for living is to amass as much money as humanely possible. If that means they need to be slumlords and dealing with Middle Eastern thugs so be it.

Don’t romanticize billionaires. And eugenics? What is wrong with you.

[Anonymous]

Ops thinking makes me concerned that they are a doctor.

[Anonymous]

I’ll start worrying when chatbots can help me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the rise of AI, I'm realizing that I will need to support my kids financially forever. We are stopping at 2 kids. I'm a doctor and I think aspects of my job are safe but the competition to get into medicine and other AI saf(ish) jobs will be too much. I'm expecting to pay for downpayment, my grandkids, etc. Are you all planning accordingly?

Well, no shit. Since we are not going to live forever...maybe another 20 years (till 80) if we have a good running, we are not thinking forever. But, here is our plan.

- continue living a MC life even though we are UMC.
- pay fully for college (and college years), and make sure that they go to state flagship on merit scholarship. No use wasting money on expensive college when jobs are going to go away. Make them major in in-demand major. Encourage them to continue to get more education and skills to become more resilient.
- pay fully for their wedding.
- pay fully for setting up their first rented apartment when they get a job in another city - furniture, furnishing, gadgets and appliances, all digital devices, sports gear, exercise gear, luggage, first professional wardrobe. First 6 months of rent. New car. 20K seed money.
- let the kids stay free with us in our home for as long as they want. Including their spouse and kids. If they want to stay forever? Ok.
- provide childcare, pay for a nanny and cleaner if they are living away from us and have small kids.
- let them stay on our medical insurance until they are 25. Even if they are working.
- make them bank 2 years of their salary first, before they get married. encourage them to find the right partner and marry early. encourage them to date for marriage.
- be open to building an ADU in our backyard or extending our house.
- let our savings remain as is, live/save our fat pension, give them the non-taxable cash gift each year.

WTF am I reading? Are your kids incapable idiots?

Nope. Extremely capable kids.

Just giving them the economic leg-ups in their youth that we can afford to give. We are not wealthy, we are slightly UMC.

Oh - we will also buy personal robots powered by AI for them and us - 40K a pop - if it ever comes on the market. The subsequent savings and benefits will be enormous.

Paying for their house cleaner?? You sound insane. If my kid was incapable of supporting themselves I certainly wouldn’t be encouraging them to get married and procreate

Hmmm...I'd rather pay for a house cleaner than mani-pedis, hair color at hairdressers, pets, starbucks, booze/wine, flowers, designer anything or luxury car.

The best return for money in terms of happiness, reducing stress, a happy married life, and buying back time with your family - is a house cleaner.

My gift of choice for parents of young kids will always be - money for nanny/helper(even if a parent is SAH), landscaping company for mowing and a bi-weekly house cleaner. Because this is when they need help and this is when they are not making enough to spring for these services.

I am ok if your kids cannot afford to get married and procreate. Not my monkeys, not my circus. I will make sure that I support my kids to get over this hump. Sooner or later, they will build wealth as they spend more years earning and have leg ups.

And if there will be no jobs because of AI and societal collapse - well, the AC are coming back to our home to raise a family. Failure is not an option. We are fine if others follow the "swim or sink" philosophy for their own kids.

We will follow the model of families around the world and over the centuries. American dream and self-centeredness is not sustainable. Why follow that?

[Anonymous]

No. This doesn’t concern me at all. My kids are teens and very capable. They will be fine. Cannot believe people on here are planning to pay for nannies and housekeepers for their adult kids. Wow. They will have college paid for, which is huge. Past that they need to work and save. You are actually doing your kid a disservice by paying for all of that.