S/O FCPS Per Pupil Spending at High Schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the order of the list, ELL is clearly the large driver of costs per pupil.

Does this include all school operating costs, like power, water, and maintenance costs? Because some schools are not utilized as efficiently as others. For example, Lewis operates around 70% of Design Capacity, while West Springfield operates at over 100%.

Chantilly seems to be an outlier. Academy costs?

Chantilly Academy is quite large and offers a number of programs. That might make a difference.

But, there are also a lot of ELL at Chantilly. It may be a lower percentage than some other schools, but it is a large cohort.
There is also a very large Special Education program at Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

If English language learners cost so much then it seems like they should concentrate them into one school so the costs can be contained and monitored. Other countries do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Some of the schools at the top of the list have special programs that are small but very expensive. Like one of them has a program for severely disabled students (physical and mental). I'm not sure those amounts reflect the reality of day to day school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

It's so great they replaced the principal and many of the senior administrators mid-year. Reid just couldn't handle one school having that much success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

It's so great they replaced the principal and many of the senior administrators mid-year. Reid just couldn't handle one school having that much success.

Actually that helps. You must not understand admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

It's so great they replaced the principal and many of the senior administrators mid-year. Reid just couldn't handle one school having that much success.

Actually that helps. You must not understand admissions.

Judging from your posts, you probably do know a lot about admissions - to various facilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

It's so great they replaced the principal and many of the senior administrators mid-year. Reid just couldn't handle one school having that much success.

Actually that helps. You must not understand admissions.

Judging from your posts, you probably do know a lot about admissions - to various facilities.

Are you drunk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that a lot of the "extra" money at the poorer schools is due to additional federal funds.
I'm not sure if the Free and Reduced Lunch funds (federal), ELL instruction (also federal), Special Education funds (is that federal?) are included.

Is there any Title I in high school? That is definitely federal funding.

However, special programs like Academies would also bring extra funds to the school.

So, I don't think FCPS is shorting the schools in wealthier areas like Langley. But, if the Langley parents are upset about paying more taxes and getting less, I understand that there is a school that is very close to many of the families that receives far more funds.

They can get more for their tax dollars and shorten the commute time for their kids. That means more sleep for their kids. And less competition for the top schools. UVA is easier to get into now!

Sounds like a win!

You lost your campaign to get Langley kids moved to Herndon. Are you really going to cry about it for the next five years?

It’s actually your loss because UVa prefers Herndon kids. DP

There’s more to life than UVa, even assuming that’s true (of course, you provided no support).

Every year there is a meltdown in the college forum when Langley kids don’t get in UVA and VT. They obviously would have a better shot from Herndon where they would stand out AND liberal AO’s prefer kids from schools like Herndon.

I think you're confusing the higher expectations of Langley parents with better results at Herndon.

What you also fail to understand is that many kids admitted to UVA from Langley prefer private universities over a state school.

What you fail to understand is that Herndon has better placement.

DP. The hilarious thing here is that if you actually believed Herndon was a hidden gem you’d be keeping it to yourself. Instead we find you here trying to sell hhs “superiority” to people who aren’t interested.

Sad for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Madison and Woodson have CSS programs. Woodson also has the DHOH program. I don't think any of the other 5 schools you mentioned have any large special ed programs.

Langley has a large special ed program.
https://langleyhs.fcps.edu/department/special-education