S/O FCPS Per Pupil Spending at High Schools

[Anonymous]

The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

[Anonymous]

Wow, some of those numbers make me feel schools are far from underfunded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of those numbers make me feel schools are far from underfunded.

ELL and SPED are expensive. Programs for high FARMs kids are expensive. IB is expensive. Academies are expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of those numbers make me feel schools are far from underfunded.

Yes. There is a lot of waste. And this century the amount spent on things other than instruction and school buses is much too high.

[Anonymous]

Your statement is a bit misleading. The poor high schools aren't getting extra funding because they're poor. They appear to have more per pupil spending because they tend to be much smaller. Lewis has 1504 kids but gets the same pot of money regardless. Mt Vernon is also relatively small. This actually demonstrates how inefficient FCPS is being with their facilities and mismanagement of student population size across all high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of those numbers make me feel schools are far from underfunded.

Yes. There is a lot of waste. And this century the amount spent on things other than instruction and school buses is much too high.

How about cutting at your kid’s school first?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is a bit misleading. The poor high schools aren't getting extra funding because they're poor. They appear to have more per pupil spending because they tend to be much smaller. Lewis has 1504 kids but gets the same pot of money regardless. Mt Vernon is also relatively small. This actually demonstrates how inefficient FCPS is being with their facilities and mismanagement of student population size across all high schools.

I do not believe that to be true.

[Anonymous]

Is federal money included in this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

wow what happened to equity for the performing schools, dumping good money after bad, i'd like to see equal spending across or a voucher, travesity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

wow so this is another socialist thing , you pay a lot of taxes to pay for those that pay very low to little taxes TERRIBLE, in fact the more taxes you pay which funds this school, the more your kids should get

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

This is wild. It feels completely socialist. The areas paying the least in taxes are getting the most funding, while families contributing more are effectively subsidizing them. That seems backwards and deeply unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is a bit misleading. The poor high schools aren't getting extra funding because they're poor. They appear to have more per pupil spending because they tend to be much smaller. Lewis has 1504 kids but gets the same pot of money regardless. Mt Vernon is also relatively small. This actually demonstrates how inefficient FCPS is being with their facilities and mismanagement of student population size across all high schools.

It’s true there’s going to some fixed overhead at every school regardless of enrollment, but some of the poorer schools with lower enrollments get more money for more administrators (especially APs) than wealthier schools with more kids.

[Anonymous]

Now I see why McLean would split off as a separate jurisdiction if state law allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Madison and Woodson have CSS programs. Woodson also has the DHOH program. I don't think any of the other 5 schools you mentioned have any large special ed programs.

[Anonymous]

Madison and Woodson have CSS programs. Woodson also has the DHOH program. I don't think any of the other 5 schools you mentioned have any large special ed programs.

Chantilly also has a CSS program and lots of other special programs.

I asked earlier about federal funds. If that is included--and I would assume it is--it would explain a lot.

If you go the profile section for each school, you can see the list of programs they offer.

The number of ELL students means more money.
SPED probably brings in more money, as well.