None of these people should be treated like criminals unless and until they commit an actual crime. Being in the country illegally is a civil violation. An issue of paperwork, not a crime. ICE shouldn't even be armed. It'd be like arming postal workers. They deal with PAPERWORK ISSUES. If someone they are investigating poses such a threat that they feel the need to be armed, they should involve local police or the FBI. But ICE are not police officers. They do not need to be armed to sort out paperwork issues. |
Thank you for reminding everyone about this! Maybe someone from senate Dems reads this and learns something. They are still so afraid of being seen as anti cops. Maybe framing ICE as paper pushers will get them to see the absurdity of agents outfitted for war. |
Agree that this is an excellent point. Especially like the comparison to arming the USPS but the contrast works for most federal agencies. |
Thank you. I referenced postal workers specifically because they actually have one of the more dangerous jobs, and yet no one is clamoring for them to be armed, but yes, these people are paper pushers and there's literally no reason for them to be out in the streets larping as Rambo to capture people just living their lives who didn't fill out the right paperwork. |
Precisely. And that’s why immigration law requires bond hearings. But the Trump admin has been illegally denying them. |
This is not about “paperwork issues” - this guy was unlawfully present for years and years. That is not a “paperwork issue” and if you think it is, it belies your assumption that this guy was entitled to be here and if it wasn’t for this little “paperwork issue” it would all be fine. White people need to go through the same processes and vetting as anyone else. |
| Did ice only detain one illegal Irish immigrant? If so, they are really really behind |
| I'd like to see his tax returns. |
I'm talking about all illegal immigrants, not just the white ones. All of this is about paperwork. Civil violations. There's absolutely no justification for the violence and the cruelty, regardless of color or how the person arrived. I believe something like 6% of the people we currently have imprisoned have a criminal history. That means 94 out of 100 are being subjected to violence and torture over not having filled out the proper forms, including children and elderly. |
DP. Agree 100% that there’s no justification for any violence or cruelty towards these people. Your stats are wrong, though. Over the last year, between 25-30% of detainees have been convicted of a crime. An additional percentage has pending criminal charges. See tracreports website for details. |
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Visa overstays should be deported, but the punishment doesn't fit the "crime". It's a misdemeanor to overstay your visa. It's like saying if you get a speeding ticket you deserve to be locked up in a cage and brutalized for six months.
How many MAGA have speeding tickets? FFS, several MAGA terrorized US congress people and destroyed the Capitol, yet our illustrious (/s) POTUS gave them pardons. |
Misdemeanors are punishable up to 1 year in jail. Our overly liberal justice system has really downplayed the consequences of crimes too much probation, restorative justice and rehabilitation/counseling where they should be thrown in the slammer for up to a year |
Keep this energy when we put the ICE agents on trial
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Then, send him to Ireland- it is too costly to keep him here. |
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This whole overstaying the visa argument is flawed. Yes he did, but that was in the last. It's like prosecuting someone for speeding 15 years ago.
His current situation: Culleton entered the US in 2009 on a visa waiver programme and overstayed the 90-day limit but after marrying a US citizen, Tiffany Smyth, and applying for lawful permanent residence, he obtained a statutory exemption that allowed him to work, according to his lawyer, Ogor Winnie Okoye. The detention prevented him from attending the final interview in October for his green card that would have confirmed his legal status, said Okoye. “It’s inexplicable that this man has been in detention.” |