He was offered a flight back to Ireland. He doesn’t have to stay in the camp. |
I don't dispute what he did, but it was a long time ago, and since he's been in the US, he's not had any criminal convictions OTH, Trump has had several recent convictions, and he committed sexual assault years ago. He is known to associate with a child molester and sex trafficker, and protecting such men because it may "harm his friends"; cheated on his wife with a porn star while she was pregnant. Yet, here he sits in the most powerful position. I think if MAGA can forgive sexual assault, tax dodging and cheating, and everything else despicable Trump's done, we can forgive a man for his past transgressions when he was a young man. Not condoning illegal immigration, but your outrage over this man's past criminal activity seems disingenuous given whom you voted for. |
I think this was a case of "but, I'm white.. they'll let me out soon". I'll say again PSA: people who have overstayed their visas in the past should get out *NOW*, otherwise, you risk being put in a torture camp. Staying in this country really isn't worth that risk. |
Everyone is choosing to ignore the primary problem here: the U.S. is violating the civil rights of human beings in these camps. |
None of this gives the U.S. the right to violate civil rights. The U.S. must not legally or morally HAVE "torture camps." |
DP. I 100% despise Trump and think your argument makes no sense at all. A better approach: hold Trump and his goons responsible for their behavior AND hold this guy responsible for his behavior (by deporting him). Your approach makes things worse by adding to the lawlessness and lack of accountability. You’re effectively saying “well, Trump’s a lawless jerk, so let’s add more people like him.” |
DP. 100% agree with this. Focus should be on ensuring that immigrants are treated lawfully and humanely in every respect. |
? did I say it did? This is the reality on the ground. How many people are sitting in those torture camps even if they shouldn't be? 100% it's wrong, but it's better to be back from where they came from than sit in these camps. |
What part of "Not condoning illegal immigration" makes it seem like I think he should be able stay? My point was MAGA outrage over this man's past is hypocritical given their ease of forgiving Trump's many transgressions. |
Yes. This guy should have been gone. There’s no language barrier, Border agents should have discovered his record on day one. This makes them look like the incompetents they are. The objective seems to be to hold prisoners as long as possible to wrest every drop of taxpayer money possible for Trump’s private prison companies. Surprise surprise, criminals lie and minimize their own responsibilities. At least he seems to have stayed out of trouble since approximately age 20. Send him home. Although if he’s a real old school plasterer and not just a drywaller, he should be eligible for a genius visa. |
“we can forgive a man for his past transgressions when he was a young man.” In any event, suggest we focus on finding consensus about an appropriate path forward rather than pointing fingers. Consensus would be good, right? As would finding a sensible and humane set of policies? |
Being white is not going to help you now. |
Why would we want more people like Trump in this country? Online people are saying he had a partner and twins he abandoned. I am outraged about the white privilege this entitled guy is getting. This is a guy who clearly thinks he is better as a visa overstayer than Latinos and others who don't speak English who crossed the southern border. His interview was oozing with contempt for them. If he became a citizen he would be a Trump supporter. |
You are advocating that people, who may or may not actully have a right to stay after due process figures out their facts and status, should leave based on fear because our current administration is violating the Consititution. That's backward. Our immigration process has long sufferred from a lack of court resources (which Trump made worse), which is why people languish in status limbo for years. Fix the problem by increasing capacity to process. There is no good reason for this country not to have a process in place to rapidly adjudicate and process immigrants. |
Yes, I am saying people who have had removal orders or overstayed their visas in the past should leave now. The alternative is to risk being imprisoned with the current administration. Is it right what Trump's admin is doing? No. There's a special place in hell for ICE agents right now. Even the folks who were eventually released by ICE spent time in these torture camps. Would you risk it? I sure as hell wouldn't. When the Nazis were starting to target Jews, some Jews stayed thinking that it would eventually be over. That didn't work out as they thought, either. |