Kathy Ruemmler. How could she???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what it will take for some of you morons to accept that no one high up in politics or business gets there the honest way. Phone calls by powerbrokers are the only way to go from reasonably successful to elite. Those powerbrokers' favor is invariably secured through illicit acts that signal total loyalty and compromise, including sexual favors, sex trafficking, passing on insider tips, burying newsworthy stories etc. for the powerbroker.

Louder for everyone in the back. But this crowd is kind of resistant to learning.

I honestly refuse to believe that any adult who does anything useful for a living is so naïve. I think a lot of these pearl clutchers are themselves the creatures of various powerbrokers (or aspire to ride the coattails of powerbrokers) and are trying to prevent regular folks from knowing how the sausage is made.

OMG. Come off it. Yes, we know how the sausage is made. Far more than you in your reddit chatroom spouting conspiracy theories ever will. And we also know that not all powerful people are publicly affiliating with known child molesters or involved in trafficking rings.

Not all powerful people are billionaires. And not all of them are lacking a scintilla of morality like most of the people in these files.

The problem is people like you who act like this is normal or business as usual. That's what protected these men for all these years.

OK! If you need to believe that one can amass real power (an endeavor that very quickly requires making amoral and immoral choices, and turning a blind eye to similar choices by others) without putting aside moral considerations, then go for it! Whatever gets you through the day.

I guess it depends on what you mean by “real power”. Kathy R is general counsel of GS. Whooptie doo. Do you consider her to possess “real power”?

I know several people worth hundreds of millions and I know one billionaire. They aren’t in the files. Do they have “real power”?

DP

Yes, I do consider CLO/GC, head of the Conduct Cmte, and member of the management cmte at GS to be a position of real power and influence. She was on the shortlist to be AG and was emailing Epstein while under consideration for the job. She is not some peon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.

+100

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Epstein had an egg-shaped dick. Attorneys at Boies Schiller deposed him in one of the civil suits about his deformities. He had a noggin sized for Rapa Nui and no aesthetic sense. His rape mansion photos show that he could not collect art or design the interiors for shit.

Obama didn’t cozy up in return with Ruemmler or JE. She launched from the WH to Goldman and could buy her own wine but she’s a cheap loveless whore who thought she was superior to everyone her hatchet faced self interacted with at a rest stop. She’s a supremacist, that’s how they think.

I'm having a hard time picturing an egg shaped dick.

Think of a baby's penis but, you know, bigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.

I know you're not stupid enough to have missed that most of these documents are redacted, the released documents are only a fraction of what exists, the federal government readily admits that a tremendous amount of evidence was destroyed, and there's a lot of evidence that is not documentary that has not been released.

So, what exactly are people like you doing when you try to pretend that if someone is not named in what has been publicly disclosed that you're aware of, then they are above board?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Some real all-or-nothing thinking I’m this thread. Yes, every person with power (White House, etc) will face some moral compromises and interact with some shady people.

Not everyone will accepts gifts from and cozy up to pedophiles. Which is why there are plenty of elites and billionaires who do not appear in these files.

Agree with a PP that saying “everyone does it” (when the “it” is being literal besties with a notorious pedophile) is itself a form of enabling.

Another one with conceptual thinking deficits. The principle you should have distilled isn't "everyone does it." Rather, it's to understand that the system of power we have is extremely corrupt and you must stop stupidly putting faith in the cover stories and mythologies with which these people explain their rise and cover their tracks. We, the People, cannot perform our watchdog function and hold power to count when we are so credulous. An investigation of EVERYONE in key positions throughout every administration in which Epstein operated is the least we should be demanding here. In a different country of people who hadn't internalized the falsehood that the powerful are heroes to be idolized, a government-wide investigation, along with investigation of private actors who were utilizing the revolving door throughout, would be already underway.

You're not doing anything special sitting around knowing that a literal cabal of pedophiles operated in this country for decades and then waiting for random unredacted names to leak so you can gasp and virtue signal with how shocked you are.

Respectfully, I think you think I’m more naive than I am. And somehow that you uniquely in this thread have the proverbial eyes to see.

But there are a lot of elite names that do not appear in these files. And obviously there are plenty that do. This thread is about the difference between those two categories of elites.

PP here. No, you're trying to create a conversation about the false dichotomy you have fabricated between people who are currently named and people who have not yet been exposed. You're pretending that the former are the only culpable parties while the latter are somehow innocent. Ask yourself why.

As I just pointed it out in a previous post, anyone paying attention right now is fully aware that the evidence in the public sphere is a mere fraction of the evidence that exists and the latter is a mere fraction of the evidence that once existed but was destroyed.

People like you, who like to place disproportionate focus on discrete individuals to obscure the reality of a literal pedophile cabal that either comprised or compromised virtually everyone in power over multiple decades, are part of the problem. You're sitting here exonerating people whom common sense should tell you were likely part of this or looked the other way at the very least, and then you're pretending this is some kind of attempt to hold people accountable? You're a clown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.

I know you're not stupid enough to have missed that most of these documents are redacted, the released documents are only a fraction of what exists, the federal government readily admits that a tremendous amount of evidence was destroyed, and there's a lot of evidence that is not documentary that has not been released.

So, what exactly are people like you doing when you try to pretend that if someone is not named in what has been publicly disclosed that you're aware of, then they are above board?

And it is hard to believe that this is the only one of these circles of disgust. If you think there aren't other vast networks of similarly powerful people doing exactly the same thing, you are woefully naive. This has gone on for thousands of years and as much as we want to convince ourselves that along the way there has been some sort of moral evolution, there hasn't been. Humans remain the most repulsive creatures on the planet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

It’s him
https://www.steptoe.com/en/lawyers/reid-weingarten.html

Doing the lord’s work. I was wondering who the dude was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what it will take for some of you morons to accept that no one high up in politics or business gets there the honest way. Phone calls by powerbrokers are the only way to go from reasonably successful to elite. Those powerbrokers' favor is invariably secured through illicit acts that signal total loyalty and compromise, including sexual favors, sex trafficking, passing on insider tips, burying newsworthy stories etc. for the powerbroker.

+1

They are all immoral and corrupt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Some real all-or-nothing thinking I’m this thread. Yes, every person with power (White House, etc) will face some moral compromises and interact with some shady people.

Not everyone will accepts gifts from and cozy up to pedophiles. Which is why there are plenty of elites and billionaires who do not appear in these files.

Agree with a PP that saying “everyone does it” (when the “it” is being literal besties with a notorious pedophile) is itself a form of enabling.

Another one with conceptual thinking deficits. The principle you should have distilled isn't "everyone does it." Rather, it's to understand that the system of power we have is extremely corrupt and you must stop stupidly putting faith in the cover stories and mythologies with which these people explain their rise and cover their tracks. We, the People, cannot perform our watchdog function and hold power to count when we are so credulous. An investigation of EVERYONE in key positions throughout every administration in which Epstein operated is the least we should be demanding here. In a different country of people who hadn't internalized the falsehood that the powerful are heroes to be idolized, a government-wide investigation, along with investigation of private actors who were utilizing the revolving door throughout, would be already underway.

You're not doing anything special sitting around knowing that a literal cabal of pedophiles operated in this country for decades and then waiting for random unredacted names to leak so you can gasp and virtue signal with how shocked you are.

Respectfully, I think you think I’m more naive than I am. And somehow that you uniquely in this thread have the proverbial eyes to see.

But there are a lot of elite names that do not appear in these files. And obviously there are plenty that do. This thread is about the difference between those two categories of elites.

NP, but I honestly don’t understand what point you think you’re making. The person to whom you responded is 100% spot on.

You say they’re “enabling” or “normalizing” this behavior by… pointing it out? Are you insane? The files themselves PROVE that this depravity IS business as usual and has been for (at least) decades! That happens not because everyone in a position of power is a literal pedophile rapist, but because the VAST majority of those in power, at a minimum, choose/chose to look the other way.

I suspect you’ve done plenty of looking the other way on various matters in your career and that’s why you’re so defensive.

It’s all right there clear as day for all of us to see. And who is the only person in jail over this decades long global child sex trafficking ring? Oh that’s right, the woman. Wake up.

+1million I'm the PP who posted about the system of power, and I want to add that there are a lot of people invested in making sure that business as usual continues. They are on this board and they're not just the wealthy elite, but also those who owe their careers to wealthy elites and who aspire to be wealthy elites. They don't mind individual heads rolling, but they absolutely do not want to see the power structure or the modus vivendi they have grown accustomed to and benefited from changing. This is the reason for the constant attempts to shift the focus to individual people and away from the reality that everyone in power for a very long time was complicit here and what that means about our country presently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Some real all-or-nothing thinking I’m this thread. Yes, every person with power (White House, etc) will face some moral compromises and interact with some shady people.

Not everyone will accepts gifts from and cozy up to pedophiles. Which is why there are plenty of elites and billionaires who do not appear in these files.

Agree with a PP that saying “everyone does it” (when the “it” is being literal besties with a notorious pedophile) is itself a form of enabling.

Another one with conceptual thinking deficits. The principle you should have distilled isn't "everyone does it." Rather, it's to understand that the system of power we have is extremely corrupt and you must stop stupidly putting faith in the cover stories and mythologies with which these people explain their rise and cover their tracks. We, the People, cannot perform our watchdog function and hold power to count when we are so credulous. An investigation of EVERYONE in key positions throughout every administration in which Epstein operated is the least we should be demanding here. In a different country of people who hadn't internalized the falsehood that the powerful are heroes to be idolized, a government-wide investigation, along with investigation of private actors who were utilizing the revolving door throughout, would be already underway.

You're not doing anything special sitting around knowing that a literal cabal of pedophiles operated in this country for decades and then waiting for random unredacted names to leak so you can gasp and virtue signal with how shocked you are.

Respectfully, I think you think I’m more naive than I am. And somehow that you uniquely in this thread have the proverbial eyes to see.

But there are a lot of elite names that do not appear in these files. And obviously there are plenty that do. This thread is about the difference between those two categories of elites.

PP here. No, you're trying to create a conversation about the false dichotomy you have fabricated between people who are currently named and people who have not yet been exposed. You're pretending that the former are the only culpable parties while the latter are somehow innocent. Ask yourself why.

As I just pointed it out in a previous post, anyone paying attention right now is fully aware that the evidence in the public sphere is a mere fraction of the evidence that exists and the latter is a mere fraction of the evidence that once existed but was destroyed.

People like you, who like to place disproportionate focus on discrete individuals to obscure the reality of a literal pedophile cabal that either comprised or compromised virtually everyone in power over multiple decades, are part of the problem. You're sitting here exonerating people whom common sense should tell you were likely part of this or looked the other way at the very least, and then you're pretending this is some kind of attempt to hold people accountable? You're a clown.

The PP isn’t a clown. The PP is a wealthy person in the 2% afraid of the backlash when the other 98% of the population realize that the 2% is made up of deeply evil people. Ironically the attempt to manipulate the truth just shows that the PP is also in the deeply evil category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

It’s him
https://www.steptoe.com/en/lawyers/reid-weingarten.html

Doing the lord’s work. I was wondering who the dude was.

He also happened to be Epstein's official lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.

Romney is very committed to his Mormon faith. He socializes primarily with other Mormons and there’s never been a whiff of him cheating.

And to be clear I think Mormonism is nonsense but not surprising he wouldn’t be in the files.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.

I know you're not stupid enough to have missed that most of these documents are redacted, the released documents are only a fraction of what exists, the federal government readily admits that a tremendous amount of evidence was destroyed, and there's a lot of evidence that is not documentary that has not been released.

So, what exactly are people like you doing when you try to pretend that if someone is not named in what has been publicly disclosed that you're aware of, then they are above board?

And it is hard to believe that this is the only one of these circles of disgust. If you think there aren't other vast networks of similarly powerful people doing exactly the same thing, you are woefully naive. This has gone on for thousands of years and as much as we want to convince ourselves that along the way there has been some sort of moral evolution, there hasn't been. Humans remain the most repulsive creatures on the planet.

100% You are completely correct that this is just ONE such circle. For instance, the practices and corruption of the Gulf elites and the Western politicians and business professionals they partner with are at least as bad as those of the Israel lobby that Epstein represents. Corruption on countless levels, along with the commodification of human life that leads people to consider trafficking children as the next frontier of their personal enjoyment, is embedded in the system. There is a conversation about what has become normal and even necessary to rise that we need to have here that people are desperate not to have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what it will take for some of you morons to accept that no one high up in politics or business gets there the honest way. Phone calls by powerbrokers are the only way to go from reasonably successful to elite. Those powerbrokers' favor is invariably secured through illicit acts that signal total loyalty and compromise, including sexual favors, sex trafficking, passing on insider tips, burying newsworthy stories etc. for the powerbroker.

Louder for everyone in the back. But this crowd is kind of resistant to learning.

I honestly refuse to believe that any adult who does anything useful for a living is so naïve. I think a lot of these pearl clutchers are themselves the creatures of various powerbrokers (or aspire to ride the coattails of powerbrokers) and are trying to prevent regular folks from knowing how the sausage is made.

OMG. Come off it. Yes, we know how the sausage is made. Far more than you in your reddit chatroom spouting conspiracy theories ever will. And we also know that not all powerful people are publicly affiliating with known child molesters or involved in trafficking rings.

Not all powerful people are billionaires. And not all of them are lacking a scintilla of morality like most of the people in these files.

The problem is people like you who act like this is normal or business as usual. That's what protected these men for all these years.

OK! If you need to believe that one can amass real power (an endeavor that very quickly requires making amoral and immoral choices, and turning a blind eye to similar choices by others) without putting aside moral considerations, then go for it! Whatever gets you through the day.

I guess it depends on what you mean by “real power”. Kathy R is general counsel of GS. Whooptie doo. Do you consider her to possess “real power”?

I know several people worth hundreds of millions and I know one billionaire. They aren’t in the files. Do they have “real power”?

You mean they aren’t in the heavily redacted files that are a small percentage of the total.