Kathy Ruemmler. How could she???

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

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Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

She got mad that her affair partners equally deluded wife had the nerve to send her a poorly executed passive aggressive put down declaring the affair o-v-e-r.

This is like the joke “the aristocrats” but turned on its ear in a big way.

Umm explain what you mean?

The email from the wife is sad. All of these people are awful.

The general theme here is that you would be awful too if you were rich and powerful enough.

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Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

She got mad that her affair partners equally deluded wife had the nerve to send her a poorly executed passive aggressive put down declaring the affair o-v-e-r.

This is like the joke “the aristocrats” but turned on its ear in a big way.

Umm explain what you mean?

The email from the wife is sad. All of these people are awful.

The general theme here is that you would be awful too if you were rich and powerful enough.

More like: once you are powerful and rich people want to sleep with you and befriend you because of your connections. That's when the true test of character begins.

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Anonymous wrote:Epstein had an egg-shaped dick. Attorneys at Boies Schiller deposed him in one of the civil suits about his deformities. He had a noggin sized for Rapa Nui and no aesthetic sense. His rape mansion photos show that he could not collect art or design the interiors for shit.

Obama didn’t cozy up in return with Ruemmler or JE. She launched from the WH to Goldman and could buy her own wine but she’s a cheap loveless whore who thought she was superior to everyone her hatchet faced self interacted with at a rest stop. She’s a supremacist, that’s how they think.

I'm having a hard time picturing an egg shaped dick.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

So you admit that you know $hit like this goes on and yet you did nothing. Again, hit dog will holler. You’re the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

She got mad that her affair partners equally deluded wife had the nerve to send her a poorly executed passive aggressive put down declaring the affair o-v-e-r.

This is like the joke “the aristocrats” but turned on its ear in a big way.

Umm explain what you mean?

The email from the wife is sad. All of these people are awful.

The general theme here is that you would be awful too if you were rich and powerful enough.

You’ve got the order reversed.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

So you admit that you know $hit like this goes on and yet you did nothing. Again, hit dog will holler. You’re the problem.

I know things like this happen because I read about the Epstein files. This information has been public for decades. Do you think that when you get into rooms where people are trying to curry favor, they openly say: I am asking you this favor because you cheated on your wife in my cabin last weekend? No,. The person in power knows this. How would I, as an aide, intervene exactly? Jump up and say: why are you giving him this favor, John? It's all in the background. No one is confessing their crimes and quid pro quos.

The problem is not that no one spoke up. Many women spoke up as did other people in power. The problem is that no one currently in power cares a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Some real all-or-nothing thinking I’m this thread. Yes, every person with power (White House, etc) will face some moral compromises and interact with some shady people.

Not everyone will accepts gifts from and cozy up to pedophiles. Which is why there are plenty of elites and billionaires who do not appear in these files.

Agree with a PP that saying “everyone does it” (when the “it” is being literal besties with a notorious pedophile) is itself a form of enabling.

Another one with conceptual thinking deficits. The principle you should have distilled isn't "everyone does it." Rather, it's to understand that the system of power we have is extremely corrupt and you must stop stupidly putting faith in the cover stories and mythologies with which these people explain their rise and cover their tracks. We, the People, cannot perform our watchdog function and hold power to count when we are so credulous. An investigation of EVERYONE in key positions throughout every administration in which Epstein operated is the least we should be demanding here. In a different country of people who hadn't internalized the falsehood that the powerful are heroes to be idolized, a government-wide investigation, along with investigation of private actors who were utilizing the revolving door throughout, would be already underway.

You're not doing anything special sitting around knowing that a literal cabal of pedophiles operated in this country for decades and then waiting for random unredacted names to leak so you can gasp and virtue signal with how shocked you are.

Respectfully, I think you think I’m more naive than I am. And somehow that you uniquely in this thread have the proverbial eyes to see.

But there are a lot of elite names that do not appear in these files. And obviously there are plenty that do. This thread is about the difference between those two categories of elites.

NP, but I honestly don’t understand what point you think you’re making. The person to whom you responded is 100% spot on.

You say they’re “enabling” or “normalizing” this behavior by… pointing it out? Are you insane? The files themselves PROVE that this depravity IS business as usual and has been for (at least) decades! That happens not because everyone in a position of power is a literal pedophile rapist, but because the VAST majority of those in power, at a minimum, choose/chose to look the other way.

I suspect you’ve done plenty of looking the other way on various matters in your career and that’s why you’re so defensive.

It’s all right there clear as day for all of us to see. And who is the only person in jail over this decades long global child sex trafficking ring? Oh that’s right, the woman. Wake up.

DP and you make good, sobering points.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

So you admit that you know $hit like this goes on and yet you did nothing. Again, hit dog will holler. You’re the problem.

I know things like this happen because I read about the Epstein files. This information has been public for decades. Do you think that when you get into rooms where people are trying to curry favor, they openly say: I am asking you this favor because you cheated on your wife in my cabin last weekend? No,. The person in power knows this. How would I, as an aide, intervene exactly? Jump up and say: why are you giving him this favor, John? It's all in the background. No one is confessing their crimes and quid pro quos.

The problem is not that no one spoke up. Many women spoke up as did other people in power. The problem is that no one currently in power cares a bit.

You’re trying to have it both ways, dear. Either you are powerful enough to “see into these rooms” OR you simply read the Epstein files (like everyone else is capable of, regardless of alleged achievements).

Pretending that if someone doesn’t explicitly say “I am committing X crime for Y reason” that everything is perfectly above board is EXACTLY the problem.

People like you look the other way and lie to yourselves because you GET something out of it. Probably something completely ordinary, like a bit more money for a nicer car or a bigger house or private school tuition. But burying your head in the sand when you’re one of the folks”in these rooms” (your claim, not mine) makes you complicit. Stop kidding yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

So you admit that you know $hit like this goes on and yet you did nothing. Again, hit dog will holler. You’re the problem.

I know things like this happen because I read about the Epstein files. This information has been public for decades. Do you think that when you get into rooms where people are trying to curry favor, they openly say: I am asking you this favor because you cheated on your wife in my cabin last weekend? No,. The person in power knows this. How would I, as an aide, intervene exactly? Jump up and say: why are you giving him this favor, John? It's all in the background. No one is confessing their crimes and quid pro quos.

The problem is not that no one spoke up. Many women spoke up as did other people in power. The problem is that no one currently in power cares a bit.

You’re trying to have it both ways, dear. Either you are powerful enough to “see into these rooms” OR you simply read the Epstein files (like everyone else is capable of, regardless of alleged achievements).

Pretending that if someone doesn’t explicitly say “I am committing X crime for Y reason” that everything is perfectly above board is EXACTLY the problem.

People like you look the other way and lie to yourselves because you GET something out of it. Probably something completely ordinary, like a bit more money for a nicer car or a bigger house or private school tuition. But burying your head in the sand when you’re one of the folks”in these rooms” (your claim, not mine) makes you complicit. Stop kidding yourself.

Do you actually want to have a civil conversation or do you want to just make people shut up? Do you want to know how power works or just get more confident in your own arrogant assumptions about it. Because, here on this site, without caring, you are talking to people who have been in many of the "rooms where it happens." And all you can do is tell them how it works. It doesn't even occur to you to ask. Because you think you know everything already. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

And you walk around calling people morons and idiots like that's not stopping the conversation? Odd.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what it will take for some of you morons to accept that no one high up in politics or business gets there the honest way. Phone calls by powerbrokers are the only way to go from reasonably successful to elite. Those powerbrokers' favor is invariably secured through illicit acts that signal total loyalty and compromise, including sexual favors, sex trafficking, passing on insider tips, burying newsworthy stories etc. for the powerbroker.

Louder for everyone in the back. But this crowd is kind of resistant to learning.

I honestly refuse to believe that any adult who does anything useful for a living is so naïve. I think a lot of these pearl clutchers are themselves the creatures of various powerbrokers (or aspire to ride the coattails of powerbrokers) and are trying to prevent regular folks from knowing how the sausage is made.

OMG. Come off it. Yes, we know how the sausage is made. Far more than you in your reddit chatroom spouting conspiracy theories ever will. And we also know that not all powerful people are publicly affiliating with known child molesters or involved in trafficking rings.

Not all powerful people are billionaires. And not all of them are lacking a scintilla of morality like most of the people in these files.

The problem is people like you who act like this is normal or business as usual. That's what protected these men for all these years.

OK! If you need to believe that one can amass real power (an endeavor that very quickly requires making amoral and immoral choices, and turning a blind eye to similar choices by others) without putting aside moral considerations, then go for it! Whatever gets you through the day.

I guess it depends on what you mean by “real power”. Kathy R is general counsel of GS. Whooptie doo. Do you consider her to possess “real power”?

I know several people worth hundreds of millions and I know one billionaire. They aren’t in the files. Do they have “real power”?

She also amassed quite a bit of power when she was White House counsel for Obama. That power did not spring forth from nothing the day Obama hired her nor did it evaporate on January 20, 2017.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really disappointed. There's no way she didn't know who he was. Do I think she is a pedo? No. But she loved his attention, she loved his gifts. She turned a blind eye to who he was. He was buying her spa days at Four Seasons and designer bags.

It just goes to show that you can have a fancy degree, fancy jobs and still be a complete, pathetic loser. I hope she never lives this down and it mars her reputation.

Catering to people like Epstein are how you get where she is, unless you come from a very powerful family full of people like...Epstein.

A lot of you really don't want to accept how power and the acquisition of power work. Is it that you're scared to face how power works or does it hurt too much to accept that personal brilliance and hard work won't get you there?

You don’t believe a woman can become general counsel at a global financial institution without kissing a pedophile’s a$$?

You struggle with conceptual thinking, don't you? Let me help you: No one attains a highly sensitive position of power like White House Counsel without the backing of elite powerbrokers. No one gets that backing without making serious moral and ethical compromises and being willing to look the other way on serious moral and ethical misdeeds.

Baby I don’t know why you are making ad hominem attacks here. It is unnecessary to tell other posters they “struggle with conceptual thinking.” Is that how you converse with people in real life?

Either engage in civil discussion or don’t respond.

Many people at the top are corrupt and immoral. But it’s not everyone. I know A FEW people personally who have served as cabinet secretaries, Senators and a bunch of representatives. Like, 10 people. They aren’t evil.

So it’s not “everyone”.

Besides that, I don’t know what your point is. Kathy R is a basic b who sold her soul for a Birken. What a loser.

DP but boy howdy does this response scream “ a hit dog will holler”

Disagree. All of us who have achieved enough power to see into those rooms know that having that much power does make it possible to join circles like those of Jeffrey Epstein. Only someone completely amoral would choose to associate themselves with him. Kathy Reummler is obviously in that camp (based on her communications with Epstein alone). Not every person with power would sell their soul for a couple of botox shots, some time on a private island, and a fawning manipulator's attention. She did. Bad look.

So you admit that you know $hit like this goes on and yet you did nothing. Again, hit dog will holler. You’re the problem.

I know things like this happen because I read about the Epstein files. This information has been public for decades. Do you think that when you get into rooms where people are trying to curry favor, they openly say: I am asking you this favor because you cheated on your wife in my cabin last weekend? No,. The person in power knows this. How would I, as an aide, intervene exactly? Jump up and say: why are you giving him this favor, John? It's all in the background. No one is confessing their crimes and quid pro quos.

The problem is not that no one spoke up. Many women spoke up as did other people in power. The problem is that no one currently in power cares a bit.

You’re trying to have it both ways, dear. Either you are powerful enough to “see into these rooms” OR you simply read the Epstein files (like everyone else is capable of, regardless of alleged achievements).

Pretending that if someone doesn’t explicitly say “I am committing X crime for Y reason” that everything is perfectly above board is EXACTLY the problem.

People like you look the other way and lie to yourselves because you GET something out of it. Probably something completely ordinary, like a bit more money for a nicer car or a bigger house or private school tuition. But burying your head in the sand when you’re one of the folks”in these rooms” (your claim, not mine) makes you complicit. Stop kidding yourself.

Do you actually want to have a civil conversation or do you want to just make people shut up? Do you want to know how power works or just get more confident in your own arrogant assumptions about it. Because, here on this site, without caring, you are talking to people who have been in many of the "rooms where it happens." And all you can do is tell them how it works. It doesn't even occur to you to ask. Because you think you know everything already. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

And you walk around calling people morons and idiots like that's not stopping the conversation? Odd.

I’m absolutely NOT going to let you tell ME “how it works” when, by your own admission (see the bolded), you are part of the problem!

As a PP so eloquently put it, I’m not going to buy your myths and cover stories.

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Anonymous wrote:She consulted with Epstein about her affair with a married man:

https://www.jmail.world/thread/EFTA02498273?view=inbox

It’s him
https://www.steptoe.com/en/lawyers/reid-weingarten.html

Power in America: just a lot of unattractive people f-ing whoever will have them

yeah, look at face. ick.

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I have found it really interesting to search the files (the jmail site is great) to see who wasn’t in his circle. Romney, for example, only appears very abstractly and second/third hand mentions. So what makes Romney different from Clinton/Trump?

Along those lines, what made Kathy R such an enthusiastic participant in Epstein’s inner orbit, when Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Plouffe weren’t?

Yes, we need to not only name and prosecute, and yes: investigate every high level member of every administration to understand how something this monstrous could happen and ensure that it never, ever happens again. That is a structural response.

But OP’s question is about something different than structure. It is about individual, interior experiences and choices. It is not only a valid question, but an essential one: who sells their soul completely? Why?

Asking this question doesn’t mean ignoring the broader, structural ones. It’s entirely possible— and worthwhile imo — to hold side-by-side questions of structure and questions of individual choice within that structure.