UVA deferral but UNC and Mich and UGA accepted

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

It's attainable for the top 5% of students. I mentioned in another thread that 30 kids accepted offers of admission to UVA from DC's FCPS public school out of a class of 630. Assume that means more than that were admitted. It was never meant to be attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants. Fortunately, there are so many other great in-state options for Virginia students - we have an embarrassment of riches in terms of good state schools.

This. It was never meant to be attainable; it was meant to serve the top kids from each high school, with geographic diversity in mind.

Cite?

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

Secretly? Numbers are shown and yet you say they are hiding something.
What other conspiracies do you believe?

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Anonymous wrote:Admission to one highly selective school does not mean admission to another highly selective school. It doesn't mean they're practicing yield protection. There's a randomness to all this that is impossible to explain.

This.

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I would choose UGA and forget about UVa.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never supposed to be about attainable education. It was always supposed to be a place for the state’s top scholars.

NP here. I don't have a problem with this. I do wish they'd take more state students and fewer OOS to come into line with their peer public institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:I would choose UGA and forget about UVa.

Yep. Head south.

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Got into better schools, given private school background if affordable take advantage of the opportunities presented.

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Anonymous wrote:Make this make sense.

UVA hates VA privates is the explanation we are primarily hearing.

The vast majority of Virginians attend public schools, so the makeup of the public universities should reflect that. The other ones just want (need) your money.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never supposed to be about attainable education. It was always supposed to be a place for the state’s top scholars.

NP here. I don't have a problem with this. I do wish they'd take more state students and fewer OOS to come into line with their peer public institutions.

Michigan is 50% OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:I would choose UGA and forget about UVa.

Yep. Head south.

Seriously. Visit Athens and you’ll be sold.

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

Except weighted GPA is not consistent across systems, so this makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never supposed to be about attainable education. It was always supposed to be a place for the state’s top scholars.

NP here. I don't have a problem with this. I do wish they'd take more state students and fewer OOS to come into line with their peer public institutions.

Michigan is 50% OOS.

Well, shame on Michigan too!

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Yield protection is the things of places like American and Elon. They will outright tell you that you have to show interest or they'll assume you're not serious about them.

Top schools don't need to yield protect.

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You can't talk about UVA relative to state schools like Michigan and Georgia and ignore size.

Michigan has ~35k undergrads, with a state population of 10.14 million.

UGA has ~33k undergrads, with a population of 11.2 million.

UVA has ~17k undergrads, with a population of 8.8 million.

UVA is necessarily serving a smaller share of its population. Which is why there are so many high achieving Virginia students at W&M and Tech.