Thoughts on ECs for junior--do we need anything else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know I will get hate for this, but have him keep taking the test until he gets 1550+. My DC got a 35 and had mid-ECs. In at a top20. I think the test score helped.

Agreed. OP’s kid has time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know I will get hate for this, but have him keep taking the test until he gets 1550+. My DC got a 35 and had mid-ECs. In at a top20. I think the test score helped.

More precisely 780+ math 780+ verbal.
Help only in a way that T20 schools will be confident about his academic performance in view of the low gpa.
It does not completely compensate or erase the low gpa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know I will get hate for this, but have him keep taking the test until he gets 1550+. My DC got a 35 and had mid-ECs. In at a top20. I think the test score helped.

More precisely 780+ math 780+ verbal.
Help only in a way that T20 schools will be confident about his academic performance in view of the low gpa.
It does not completely compensate or erase the low gpa.

No true for the majority of T20.

Caltech, MIT yes. 1580+ helps.

HYPMS Penn Brown Dartmouth Hopkins Vandy WashU Emory 1500+ no difference.

Chicago Duke Northwestern are still test optional.
UCB UCLA test blind.

[Anonymous]

His profile looks fine. Since this is his junior year, his GPA (and SAT score) should be higher when he applies. Just focus on building more depth in the ECs that he’s passionate about. History is an under-subscribed major, so he does have a niche.

[Anonymous]

If history is the potential major, consider awards in some good writing competition. For humanities in general, Iowa writer's camp or Kenyon writer's camp?

Ignore the sour grape VT parents. His ECs are fine. Federal internship and construction job are interesting. Essays on these activities to stand out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If history is the potential major, consider awards in some good writing competition. For humanities in general, Iowa writer's camp or Kenyon writer's camp?

Ignore the sour grape VT parents. His ECs are fine. Federal internship and construction job are interesting. Essays on these activities to stand out.

Yes to bold, no to underline (for a judge).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boy, varsity athlete playing year-round (but doesn't want to play in college), public school 3.9 UW/4.3 W (not VA or MD), 1520 SAT, 11 APs total by graduation, humanities kid, founded & president of school debating club, Model UN, several seasons of coaching kids teams in youth sports, has worked in construction over the summer (when not doing sport), doing internship with federal judge, volunteers w/Special Olympics. History or Econ as potential major.

Not a whole lot of time to do much else, but is there any EC that's obviously missing? He is hoping for a top 20, SLAC or mid-sized. Double egacy at Ivies but obviously a long shot.

OP, quite often less is more.

Think quality over quantity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boy, varsity athlete playing year-round (but doesn't want to play in college), public school 3.9 UW/4.3 W (not VA or MD), 1520 SAT, 11 APs total by graduation, humanities kid, founded & president of school debating club, Model UN, several seasons of coaching kids teams in youth sports, has worked in construction over the summer (when not doing sport), doing internship with federal judge, volunteers w/Special Olympics. History or Econ as potential major.

Not a whole lot of time to do much else, but is there any EC that's obviously missing? He is hoping for a top 20, SLAC or mid-sized. Double egacy at Ivies but obviously a long shot.

Soccer ?

OP, your son is an active, engaged high school student. This is good.

History or economics are solid majors, not sure why someone wrote "not econ".

Class rank & teacher comments/recommendations will be important for the most highly selective schools.

The portion that I bolded in your comment is a bit disturbing and raises suspicions about the other claimed ECs.

In order to make the internship with a federal judge into a factor of note, your son will need to describe his duties, no matter how mundane, and his understanding of the experience beyond that "it looks good on my resume."

[Anonymous]

There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

No one is “against it”. They are lawyers or former clerks, like myself, who think the story suspect as in a nepotism job. I’ve clerked for two years and have never seen minors in the courthouse. Too many potential problems. And the question was properly raised - even if he did do it, what did he do? We would never have let an intern touch the files- immense confidentiality and liability issues. An AO will
Know this and wonder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

No one is “against it”. They are lawyers or former clerks, like myself, who think the story suspect as in a nepotism job. I’ve clerked for two years and have never seen minors in the courthouse. Too many potential problems. And the question was properly raised - even if he did do it, what did he do? We would never have let an intern touch the files- immense confidentiality and liability issues. An AO will
Know this and wonder

You'd be surprised how judges LOVE to help out high school students for their law career.
https://www.scsjip.org/highschooldivision

Did OP ask for advices on this? No. Did OP say her DC touch the files? No.
OP simply asked do we need anything else.

[Anonymous]

Look on Reddit. Hundreds of teen court and judicial interns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

No one is “against it”. They are lawyers or former clerks, like myself, who think the story suspect as in a nepotism job. I’ve clerked for two years and have never seen minors in the courthouse. Too many potential problems. And the question was properly raised - even if he did do it, what did he do? We would never have let an intern touch the files- immense confidentiality and liability issues. An AO will
Know this and wonder

You'd be surprised how judges LOVE to help out high school students for their law career.
https://www.scsjip.org/highschooldivision

Did OP ask for advices on this? No. Did OP say her DC touch the files? No.
OP simply asked do we need anything else.

They don’t love it. This is a one month program for minority or disadvantaged students in NYC and deals it state, federal and local judges. Meaning it’s a tiny program in a limited city area for a small population of teens and you have zero idea what the teens are doing and certainly no idea what the judges think about the program.

If this was listed on the app, the “job” will be considered more as for minority or disadvantaged kids. It’s like a stars fly in program…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

No one is “against it”. They are lawyers or former clerks, like myself, who think the story suspect as in a nepotism job. I’ve clerked for two years and have never seen minors in the courthouse. Too many potential problems. And the question was properly raised - even if he did do it, what did he do? We would never have let an intern touch the files- immense confidentiality and liability issues. An AO will
Know this and wonder

You'd be surprised how judges LOVE to help out high school students for their law career.
https://www.scsjip.org/highschooldivision

Did OP ask for advices on this? No. Did OP say her DC touch the files? No.
OP simply asked do we need anything else.

They don’t love it. This is a one month program for minority or disadvantaged students in NYC and deals it state, federal and local judges. Meaning it’s a tiny program in a limited city area for a small population of teens and you have zero idea what the teens are doing and certainly no idea what the judges think about the program.

If this was listed on the app, the “job” will be considered more as for minority or disadvantaged kids. It’s like a stars fly in program…

Did OP say her DC is not a minority or disadvantaged?
How do you generalize that the judges don't love it? If they don't love it, they can choose not to participate in the program.
This program is just an example. There are official and unofficial internship positions in our court system. No, they don't "touch" the file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are established, and highly respected, high school internship in federal judicial system. Sonia & Celina Sotomayor Judicial Internship Program for example has a high school division. For high school students interested in our judicial system, there are plenty of outreach programs at the state court level. Do a search and particularly look into your local judicial system. You can also reach out to judges directly to see if they are willing to have a high schooler as an intern.

Federal judge internship is definitely something unique and unusual (and yes prestigeous!). I don't understand why folks are against it. Ignorant?

No one is “against it”. They are lawyers or former clerks, like myself, who think the story suspect as in a nepotism job. I’ve clerked for two years and have never seen minors in the courthouse. Too many potential problems. And the question was properly raised - even if he did do it, what did he do? We would never have let an intern touch the files- immense confidentiality and liability issues. An AO will
Know this and wonder

You'd be surprised how judges LOVE to help out high school students for their law career.
https://www.scsjip.org/highschooldivision

Did OP ask for advices on this? No. Did OP say her DC touch the files? No.
OP simply asked do we need anything else.

They don’t love it. This is a one month program for minority or disadvantaged students in NYC and deals it state, federal and local judges. Meaning it’s a tiny program in a limited city area for a small population of teens and you have zero idea what the teens are doing and certainly no idea what the judges think about the program.

If this was listed on the app, the “job” will be considered more as for minority or disadvantaged kids. It’s like a stars fly in program…

Did OP say her DC is not a minority or disadvantaged?
How do you generalize that the judges don't love it? If they don't love it, they can choose not to participate in the program.
This program is just an example. There are official and unofficial internship positions in our court system. No, they don't "touch" the file.

Mkay.