Johns Hopkins releases profile of recent class that was admitted in 2025, big shifts post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really a bummer. Way, way too much emphasis on standardized testing.

There is not enough emphasis on standardized testing.

If standardized testing was the sole determinant, there would be almost the same number of white kids as asian kids.

This is not remotely true. The cut score for a pool that is as-white-as-it-is-Asian is about 1390. Everything more selective would be more Asian than white. Schools with a cut score over 1500 would be dramatically more Asian than white.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

I think you underestimate people. upper middle class families are not going to let their children flail because they can’t get into an elite school. People fail upwards regularly.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really a bummer. Way, way too much emphasis on standardized testing.

There is not enough emphasis on standardized testing.

If standardized testing was the sole determinant, there would be almost the same number of white kids as asian kids.

This is not remotely true. The cut score for a pool that is as-white-as-it-is-Asian is about 1390. Everything more selective would be more Asian than white. Schools with a cut score over 1500 would be dramatically more Asian than white.

In 2022, there were about ~15,792 asians with 1500+ and ~14,658 white students with 1500+
That is not dramatically more.
Honestly it's about the same.

If you get to 1500 the difference might start to look more dramatic but like 3::2 not 3::1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

I think you underestimate people. upper middle class families are not going to let their children flail because they can’t get into an elite school. People fail upwards regularly.

And yet they have.

UMC families have basements full of underachieving kids with humanities degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

Just look at all the racism here in this thread and elsewhere on this board targeted at people of Chinese and Indian origin. Why would they want to put up with that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

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Anonymous wrote:Will the situation be much better this year? Do you think they will decrease the percentage of Asians under 30% this year? I am feeling that they are working on diversity to increase UMR and white on campus when we did the campus visit early this year.

If JHU was making efforts to increase "white on campus" that would be illegal. So hopefully no.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

"relatively low wages" - still far exceeding what's available at home and won't be changing anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

I would like to see college admissions be based on academic merit to a larger extent than they are now. If that leaves white Americans behind relative to Asians, we (I’m white) should try stepping up our game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

A discussion of merit deserves its own thread. It’s not as simple as getting good grades, and it’s certainly not one-dimensional. I don’t think the core issue is meritocracy itself—after all, employers ultimately hire based on merit, which is why U.S. companies continue to dominate many fields. You are not getting hired for a job just because you show them your college name, isn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

Just look at all the racism here in this thread and elsewhere on this board targeted at people of Chinese and Indian origin. Why would they want to put up with that?

Investment capital. We have the best capital markets in the world for entrepreneurs

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious if conservatives are okay with the decrease/ stagnation in white acceptances? Is this what was expected?

Time for reading glasses. "White freshman enrollment remained relatively flat, at 21% in 2025, compared with 19.3% in 2023."