Duke University - Black First Year Student Population Decreases 50%

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Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

Their stats aren’t as good as a cohort though. The standardized scores and HS class ranking still lag **as a cohort**. ECs, it depends — national academic awards, not so much. The documents provided in the SCt cases demonstrate this.

Agree. Stats aren't as good as a cohort, yet. That's what I meant by Black families are, as a cohort, now more systematically adopting the "playbook of the white wealthy." For example, learning that 1500+ SAT scores are tablestakes and very achieveable with SAT tutoring and practice tests starting early enough and getting algebra I, II and geometry out of the quickly, etc. Ensuring 4.5++ gpa's via early and extensive APs. Now that folks are in the private schools and doing these things at home as well, the stats/test scores are quickly increasing. Also Black families knowing the importance of recruited athletes as a hook (which has been happening, as a cohort, for a while). And importantly, now being legacies and having that as a hook.

I think immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation regardless of color will over take everyone, along with A.I, by the third generation, they get lazy like everyone else

IMO, The United States would have been better served by building up it's own citizens, than letting everyone that is the best and brightest from every country come to America, by way of the Hart Cellar Act, but that ship has sailed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

They'll go to Flagship state schools, elite schools are over-rated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

It’s a weird situation in California, because those students do end up getting captured by the CSUs, which are a good option as teaching institutions, so it (kinda) works out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

They'll go to Flagship state schools, elite schools are over-rated

This is about flagship state schools. They aren’t going. Look at peers like UT Austin too with low black populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

They'll go to Flagship state schools, elite schools are over-rated

This is about flagship state schools. They aren’t going. Look at peers like UT Austin too with low black populations.

Look at UMD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

My guess is that this happened with UCs

There is a study that shows that the lower numbers of black/latino students discourages others from applying so sadly it does seem to have a compounding effect.
https://cshe.berkeley.edu/publications/affirmative-action-mismatch-and-economic-mobility-after-california%E2%80%99s-proposition-209

They'll go to Flagship state schools, elite schools are over-rated

This is about flagship state schools. They aren’t going. Look at peers like UT Austin too with low black populations.

Look at UMD

Sure but there’s far fewer UMDs out there. Most state flagships have single digit black populations that underrepresent the state’s black population.

Plus, why go to a state university when a private college will give you more money to attend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

Their stats aren’t as good as a cohort though. The standardized scores and HS class ranking still lag **as a cohort**. ECs, it depends — national academic awards, not so much. The documents provided in the SCt cases demonstrate this.

Agree. Stats aren't as good as a cohort, yet. That's what I meant by Black families are, as a cohort, now more systematically adopting the "playbook of the white wealthy." For example, learning that 1500+ SAT scores are tablestakes and very achieveable with SAT tutoring and practice tests starting early enough and getting algebra I, II and geometry out of the quickly, etc. Ensuring 4.5++ gpa's via early and extensive APs. Now that folks are in the private schools and doing these things at home as well, the stats/test scores are quickly increasing. Also Black families knowing the importance of recruited athletes as a hook (which has been happening, as a cohort, for a while). And importantly, now being legacies and having that as a hook.

I think immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation regardless of color will over take everyone, along with A.I, by the third generation, they get lazy like everyone else

I don't think immigrants or 1st gen will ever replace legacy and wealthy because the system is structured to favor wealthy legacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

We know a family like this and their kids go to Spelman and Howard. Both parents went to top universities. Something else is going on

The writing’s on the wall. Even now that affirmative action in admissions was ended by SCOTUS, universities are still being accused of DEI because their black student populations haven’t decreased to 0. Why waste the effort to try to go to a school where other students think you don’t belong?

+1. My talented black son is attending Morehouse in the fall. Most of his friends are doing the same plus Spelman, Howard, FAMU, and a few others. Even HBCUs that aren't as highly sought after are seeing increase in applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

Their stats aren’t as good as a cohort though. The standardized scores and HS class ranking still lag **as a cohort**. ECs, it depends — national academic awards, not so much. The documents provided in the SCt cases demonstrate this.

Agree. Stats aren't as good as a cohort, yet. That's what I meant by Black families are, as a cohort, now more systematically adopting the "playbook of the white wealthy." For example, learning that 1500+ SAT scores are tablestakes and very achieveable with SAT tutoring and practice tests starting early enough and getting algebra I, II and geometry out of the quickly, etc. Ensuring 4.5++ gpa's via early and extensive APs. Now that folks are in the private schools and doing these things at home as well, the stats/test scores are quickly increasing. Also Black families knowing the importance of recruited athletes as a hook (which has been happening, as a cohort, for a while). And importantly, now being legacies and having that as a hook.

I think immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation regardless of color will over take everyone, along with A.I, by the third generation, they get lazy like everyone else

I don't think immigrants or 1st gen will ever replace legacy and wealthy because the system is structured to favor wealthy legacy.

We are slowly moving towards a more meritocratic admissions process where we will see those students rise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Duke is in the south. What do you expect?

Most HBCUs are in the south. The majority of Black Americans in this country reside in the south. Also, there is a new great migration back to the south for many Black families. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-new-great-migration-is-bringing-black-americans-back-to-the-south

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

We know a family like this and their kids go to Spelman and Howard. Both parents went to top universities. Something else is going on

The writing’s on the wall. Even now that affirmative action in admissions was ended by SCOTUS, universities are still being accused of DEI because their black student populations haven’t decreased to 0. Why waste the effort to try to go to a school where other students think you don’t belong?

+1. My talented black son is attending Morehouse in the fall. Most of his friends are doing the same plus Spelman, Howard, FAMU, and a few others. Even HBCUs that aren't as highly sought after are seeing increase in applications.

At the end of the day, you have to do what you feel is right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conversely, there are increasing numbers of black families with parents that are now successful in numbers never seen. So these families have raised kids in private schools, with SAT prep, and have followed the privileged white family playbook and are sending their kids to the elite institutions with all the pumped up APs and grades and ec's etc. So there is positive news for Black families as well.

We know a family like this and their kids go to Spelman and Howard. Both parents went to top universities. Something else is going on

The writing’s on the wall. Even now that affirmative action in admissions was ended by SCOTUS, universities are still being accused of DEI because their black student populations haven’t decreased to 0. Why waste the effort to try to go to a school where other students think you don’t belong?

+1. My talented black son is attending Morehouse in the fall. Most of his friends are doing the same plus Spelman, Howard, FAMU, and a few others. Even HBCUs that aren't as highly sought after are seeing increase in applications.

NCAT is an amazing stem option where we’ve seen students really shine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may be over for Black Americans in elite schools, prob looking at 75% Africans and Caribbean and 25% Black American

At some point, they’ll opt out for hbcus. When numbers drop this low, there’s a certain power dynamic over black students that drives them away.

this is the camp im in. Went to a top lac before diversity was their wheelhouse and wow…it was socially miserable, particularly in my stem major where certain kinds of students felt they were inherently better than me, since there were so few black people. I was incredibly grateful for the faculty and education I received, but I couldn’t stand the constant isolation and the way other students tried to further minimize me.

I'm sorry you went through this. Unfortunately, I think SLACs will revert back to those days. I don't think students in the majority (white students) have any appreciation for what a negative thing it is to be in an echo chamber of a PWI to themselves, much less the minority students of color. They may have felt defensive or vulnerable when diversity was being emphasized, but it was making them better and giving them a wider perspective. Too bad they bought into the anxiety of scarcity and "losing opportunities" to diverse colleagues and got caught up in the anxiety of scarcity. Their fear and paranoia was probably used against them but they bought into that fear, and now they will also miss out.