Why do so many bad things happen to some people?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of this (not cancer and disease, but some of the rest of of it) has to do with seeking thrills. You don't run for president if you don't want thrills and risk because a lot of people will hate you. You don't pilot a private plane in a storm with minimal training if you aren't an overconfident thrill-seeker.

This. Obv poor Tatiana's cancer was random and not a result of her behavior. But a lot of the Kennedy deaths and tragedies are a result of a combo of access to wealth and no risk aversion genes.

-JFK Jr Flying a plane: most of us can't afford that / many of us would not risk that
-Kick Kennedy: flying around Europe during the early days of aviation - most would not have had that opportunity - and her rich partner pressured the pilot to fly despite bad weather - many would have looked at the weather and not gotten on the place or adhered to the pilot's initial warning not to fly
-Rosemary's lobotomy - that was a new procedure and they had VIP access to it
-Joe Jr's war place crash - he did not have to take that suicidal assignment
-THe Kennedy who died on the slopes Playing football on skis - most people can't afford to ski - and the ski patrol probably would have made them stop if they weren't Kennedys - and most people are not only too risk averse to play football on skis but also too risk averse to ski
-All the tragedies befalling the women connected with them - the women were drawn to them partially due to their money and power
-etc

There is also Kathleen Kennedy Townshend's daughter and grandson who drowned during quarantine April 2020 out in the Bay off the western shore in Shady Side. They went into a canoe to retrieve a ball that had blown into the water. We have a place out there and it was rumored they didn't have life jackets, but that may not have mattered in the end because the water was too cold. Their canoe capsized and they drowned (autopsy said because of hypothermia, which is a legit reason to drown, I have a relative who drowned this way 40 years ago in Mathews County, VA where the Bay is much wider, like 20+ miles wide, in a sail boat accident also in April and the water was too cold to survive). But the water around Shady Side, MD is very shallow for a very long time, so it is likely that when they started getting into trouble, they could have just gotten out and at least the mother could have stood up and been above water. But they waited too long to try and got swept out to the Bay and then their canoe flipped over.

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Anonymous wrote:They say the Kennedy Curse but a lot of families with money have great tragedies because they are able to do more dangerous activities without regulations than other “regular” people.

The curse forces you to fly airplanes?

The PP just explained that. It’s not really a “curse”, it’s bad outcomes from wealth and entitlement that allow risky behavior.

Some say he had a death wish. And the Kennedy family was awful to Besset’s family after the death. I think they cremated them all without permission or something but don’t quote me on that. Maureen Callahan, author of “Ask Not,” outlines all this. JFK Jr was a hot mess.

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I don’t really follow the Kennedy family, so I can’t speak to them. But I have known or heard of people who have experienced an awful lot of loss. I’ve heard stories from some people who grew up in the foster care system, or the recent stories from Gaza; you’d hear about so many sole survivors who had lost their whole families. I remember a mom in Gaza, also a doctor, who lost 8 of 9 children. Or the hundreds of Nigerian school children recently kidnapped; I’m sure there are multiple family members there. There are horrific stories everywhere (I’m including, not competing with the Kennedy stories). It’s really sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of poor people with this kind of story too. In fact, the chances of this kind of life are much more common among the poor. Having your whole family killed in wars, famines, accidents, etc. happens in developing countries. During the height of the crack epidemic, having your whole family die from overdoses, shootings, and AIDS happened.

But they aren't Kennedys.

Came to say this.

Poverty makes it harder to recover from any one single problem so you are left vulnerable to many others. A friend had the same cancer and died in a few months because she didn’t have the same resources as a wealthy and connected patient. The line about marrying a doctor was so tone deaf.

Wealthy people often are making poor choices that their money can fix. We only notice when they have a run of issues you can throw money at.

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Anonymous wrote:I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

Quite a few of them did get away with bad decisions —See Chappaquiddick. Or Patrick Kennedy. And likely hundreds of other incidents we’ll never hear about.

If you read biographies on JFK Jr., there were many instances of risky behavior where he escapes harm. I’m sure there was some type of psychological reason behind this- perhaps he had a death wish or maybe he thought he was invincible. His behavior was bound to catch up with him at some point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of poor people with this kind of story too. In fact, the chances of this kind of life are much more common among the poor. Having your whole family killed in wars, famines, accidents, etc. happens in developing countries. During the height of the crack epidemic, having your whole family die from overdoses, shootings, and AIDS happened.

But they aren't Kennedys.

Came to say this.

Poverty makes it harder to recover from any one single problem so you are left vulnerable to many others. A friend had the same cancer and died in a few months because she didn’t have the same resources as a wealthy and connected patient. The line about marrying a doctor was so tone deaf.

Wealthy people often are making poor choices that their money can fix. We only notice when they have a run of issues you can throw money at.

Are you assuming a poor person can't marry a doctor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of poor people with this kind of story too. In fact, the chances of this kind of life are much more common among the poor. Having your whole family killed in wars, famines, accidents, etc. happens in developing countries. During the height of the crack epidemic, having your whole family die from overdoses, shootings, and AIDS happened.

But they aren't Kennedys.

Came to say this.

Poverty makes it harder to recover from any one single problem so you are left vulnerable to many others. A friend had the same cancer and died in a few months because she didn’t have the same resources as a wealthy and connected patient. The line about marrying a doctor was so tone deaf.

Wealthy people often are making poor choices that their money can fix. We only notice when they have a run of issues you can throw money at.

I read it more as dark humor. “You never know when you’re going to get a terminal diagnosis in your thirties and leave your children motherless, better marry a doctor to make those pesky doctor visits a little easier!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really follow the Kennedy family, so I can’t speak to them. But I have known or heard of people who have experienced an awful lot of loss. I’ve heard stories from some people who grew up in the foster care system, or the recent stories from Gaza; you’d hear about so many sole survivors who had lost their whole families. I remember a mom in Gaza, also a doctor, who lost 8 of 9 children. Or the hundreds of Nigerian school children recently kidnapped; I’m sure there are multiple family members there. There are horrific stories everywhere (I’m including, not competing with the Kennedy stories). It’s really sad.

The Kennedys are a huge family. Take any random group of people that large and you'll find plenty of tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t really follow the Kennedy family, so I can’t speak to them. But I have known or heard of people who have experienced an awful lot of loss. I’ve heard stories from some people who grew up in the foster care system, or the recent stories from Gaza; you’d hear about so many sole survivors who had lost their whole families. I remember a mom in Gaza, also a doctor, who lost 8 of 9 children. Or the hundreds of Nigerian school children recently kidnapped; I’m sure there are multiple family members there. There are horrific stories everywhere (I’m including, not competing with the Kennedy stories). It’s really sad.

The Kennedys are a huge family. Take any random group of people that large and you'll find plenty of tragedy.

True, but sure.y you can agree that Caroline has had more than her fair share.