Why do so many bad things happen to some people?

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Anonymous wrote:Her mother also died of cancer at 64.

Caroline, who has never run for office or been known for seeking thrills, has lived through a lot of sorrow.

And BTW, this isn’t the grief Olympics. One can feel sympathy for her and for families affected by other tragedies.

Her mother's death wasn't exceptionally young. For a woman born in the 1920s, the life expectancy was about 70 years, plus her mother was a heavy smoker.

She was also a drug and alcohol addict.

Let’s have your husband’s head blown apart right next to you, and pieces of his brain all over your clothing and in your hair, and then let’s see how you turn out after that, okay?

I cannot imagine her pain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of this (not cancer and disease, but some of the rest of of it) has to do with seeking thrills. You don't run for president if you don't want thrills and risk because a lot of people will hate you. You don't pilot a private plane in a storm with minimal training if you aren't an overconfident thrill-seeker.

This. Obv poor Tatiana's cancer was random and not a result of her behavior. But a lot of the Kennedy deaths and tragedies are a result of a combo of access to wealth and no risk aversion genes.

-JFK Jr Flying a plane: most of us can't afford that / many of us would not risk that
-Kick Kennedy: flying around Europe during the early days of aviation - most would not have had that opportunity - and her rich partner pressured the pilot to fly despite bad weather - many would have looked at the weather and not gotten on the place or adhered to the pilot's initial warning not to fly
-Rosemary's lobotomy - that was a new procedure and they had VIP access to it
-Joe Jr's war place crash - he did not have to take that suicidal assignment
-THe Kennedy who died on the slopes Playing football on skis - most people can't afford to ski - and the ski patrol probably would have made them stop if they weren't Kennedys - and most people are not only too risk averse to play football on skis but also too risk averse to ski
-All the tragedies befalling the women connected with them - the women were drawn to them partially due to their money and power
-etc

JFK Jr. should not have been flying a plane himself at night in those conditions. He was not supposed to fly at night or in foggy conditions given his limited training.

Apparently his wife kept him waiting well over an hour (maybe two?) because she was getting her nails done to match the color of her dress. She was having the salon redo it several times because the color wasn't right. The sun was gone by the time she got to the airstrip. He had not achieved night flying capability yet (instrument panel readings).
Maybe she didn't understand how serious the impact of her tardiness would be. Maybe she was just oblivious. By the time she arrived it was too late to secure alternative transportation to make it in time for the rehearsal dinner so he winged it. Who knows what kind of conversation they had before they took off. Supposedly the marriage was a bit strained and maybe he wanted to avoid a fight. Whatever it was, bad decisions all around by privileged people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of this (not cancer and disease, but some of the rest of of it) has to do with seeking thrills. You don't run for president if you don't want thrills and risk because a lot of people will hate you. You don't pilot a private plane in a storm with minimal training if you aren't an overconfident thrill-seeker.

This. Obv poor Tatiana's cancer was random and not a result of her behavior. But a lot of the Kennedy deaths and tragedies are a result of a combo of access to wealth and no risk aversion genes.

-JFK Jr Flying a plane: most of us can't afford that / many of us would not risk that
-Kick Kennedy: flying around Europe during the early days of aviation - most would not have had that opportunity - and her rich partner pressured the pilot to fly despite bad weather - many would have looked at the weather and not gotten on the place or adhered to the pilot's initial warning not to fly
-Rosemary's lobotomy - that was a new procedure and they had VIP access to it
-Joe Jr's war place crash - he did not have to take that suicidal assignment
-THe Kennedy who died on the slopes Playing football on skis - most people can't afford to ski - and the ski patrol probably would have made them stop if they weren't Kennedys - and most people are not only too risk averse to play football on skis but also too risk averse to ski
-All the tragedies befalling the women connected with them - the women were drawn to them partially due to their money and power
-etc

JFK Jr. should not have been flying a plane himself at night in those conditions. He was not supposed to fly at night or in foggy conditions given his limited training.

Apparently his wife kept him waiting well over an hour (maybe two?) because she was getting her nails done to match the color of her dress. She was having the salon redo it several times because the color wasn't right. The sun was gone by the time she got to the airstrip. He had not achieved night flying capability yet (instrument panel readings).
Maybe she didn't understand how serious the impact of her tardiness would be. Maybe she was just oblivious. By the time she arrived it was too late to secure alternative transportation to make it in time for the rehearsal dinner so he winged it. Who knows what kind of conversation they had before they took off. Supposedly the marriage was a bit strained and maybe he wanted to avoid a fight. Whatever it was, bad decisions all around by privileged people.

His flight instructor offered to go with him because he was not confident in JFK Jr.’s skills but JFK Jr. rejected the offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of this (not cancer and disease, but some of the rest of of it) has to do with seeking thrills. You don't run for president if you don't want thrills and risk because a lot of people will hate you. You don't pilot a private plane in a storm with minimal training if you aren't an overconfident thrill-seeker.

This. Obv poor Tatiana's cancer was random and not a result of her behavior. But a lot of the Kennedy deaths and tragedies are a result of a combo of access to wealth and no risk aversion genes.

-JFK Jr Flying a plane: most of us can't afford that / many of us would not risk that
-Kick Kennedy: flying around Europe during the early days of aviation - most would not have had that opportunity - and her rich partner pressured the pilot to fly despite bad weather - many would have looked at the weather and not gotten on the place or adhered to the pilot's initial warning not to fly
-Rosemary's lobotomy - that was a new procedure and they had VIP access to it
-Joe Jr's war place crash - he did not have to take that suicidal assignment
-THe Kennedy who died on the slopes Playing football on skis - most people can't afford to ski - and the ski patrol probably would have made them stop if they weren't Kennedys - and most people are not only too risk averse to play football on skis but also too risk averse to ski
-All the tragedies befalling the women connected with them - the women were drawn to them partially due to their money and power
-etc

JFK Jr. should not have been flying a plane himself at night in those conditions. He was not supposed to fly at night or in foggy conditions given his limited training.

Apparently his wife kept him waiting well over an hour (maybe two?) because she was getting her nails done to match the color of her dress. She was having the salon redo it several times because the color wasn't right. The sun was gone by the time she got to the airstrip. He had not achieved night flying capability yet (instrument panel readings).
Maybe she didn't understand how serious the impact of her tardiness would be. Maybe she was just oblivious. By the time she arrived it was too late to secure alternative transportation to make it in time for the rehearsal dinner so he winged it. Who knows what kind of conversation they had before they took off. Supposedly the marriage was a bit strained and maybe he wanted to avoid a fight. Whatever it was, bad decisions all around by privileged people.

"bad decisions all around by privileged people."

That explains so much of the alleged curse

[Anonymous]

My mother had a beloved cousin who was very wealthy, didn’t do anything particularly risky, and then had all kinds of terrible things happen. Her husband, parents, and in laws all died within two years while her sons were still in elementary school. She was a breast cancer survivor, then had chronic leukaemia, then it came back untreatable, then she died.

My sister in law is very similar- terrible things keep happening to her for no reason.

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I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

Quite a few of them did get away with bad decisions —See Chappaquiddick. Or Patrick Kennedy. And likely hundreds of other incidents we’ll never hear about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her mother also died of cancer at 64.

Caroline, who has never run for office or been known for seeking thrills, has lived through a lot of sorrow.

And BTW, this isn’t the grief Olympics. One can feel sympathy for her and for families affected by other tragedies.

If you subscribe to the theory that the two most important factors in developing cancer are genes and environment, there’s cancer on both sides of sides of Caroline’s family. Her mother at 64, her uncle Ted had brain cancer, her uncle Ted’s son who had to have a leg amputated at a young age. Her Aunt Patricia had tongue cancer towards the end of her life. Those are just the ones I can think of. No one really knows about whether certain other familiy members might have been affected later in life because they died at young ages from guns (2) or planes (3).

Tatiana is a very graceful writer and I am glad for her mother that so much was able to be kept private for so long. That was at least one of Caroline Kennedy’s books, about the Right to Privacy.

I wish them as much peace as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of this (not cancer and disease, but some of the rest of of it) has to do with seeking thrills. You don't run for president if you don't want thrills and risk because a lot of people will hate you. You don't pilot a private plane in a storm with minimal training if you aren't an overconfident thrill-seeker.

This. Obv poor Tatiana's cancer was random and not a result of her behavior. But a lot of the Kennedy deaths and tragedies are a result of a combo of access to wealth and no risk aversion genes.

-JFK Jr Flying a plane: most of us can't afford that / many of us would not risk that
-Kick Kennedy: flying around Europe during the early days of aviation - most would not have had that opportunity - and her rich partner pressured the pilot to fly despite bad weather - many would have looked at the weather and not gotten on the place or adhered to the pilot's initial warning not to fly
-Rosemary's lobotomy - that was a new procedure and they had VIP access to it
-Joe Jr's war place crash - he did not have to take that suicidal assignment
-THe Kennedy who died on the slopes Playing football on skis - most people can't afford to ski - and the ski patrol probably would have made them stop if they weren't Kennedys - and most people are not only too risk averse to play football on skis but also too risk averse to ski
-All the tragedies befalling the women connected with them - the women were drawn to them partially due to their money and power
-etc

JFK Jr. should not have been flying a plane himself at night in those conditions. He was not supposed to fly at night or in foggy conditions given his limited training.

Apparently his wife kept him waiting well over an hour (maybe two?) because she was getting her nails done to match the color of her dress. She was having the salon redo it several times because the color wasn't right. The sun was gone by the time she got to the airstrip. He had not achieved night flying capability yet (instrument panel readings).
Maybe she didn't understand how serious the impact of her tardiness would be. Maybe she was just oblivious. By the time she arrived it was too late to secure alternative transportation to make it in time for the rehearsal dinner so he winged it. Who knows what kind of conversation they had before they took off. Supposedly the marriage was a bit strained and maybe he wanted to avoid a fight. Whatever it was, bad decisions all around by privileged people.

His flight instructor offered to go with him because he was not confident in JFK Jr.’s skills but JFK Jr. rejected the offer.

And, of course, you can't tell a Kennedy, "No, you can't fly."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

We don't call it a curse when DUI driving catches up with you.

[Anonymous]

Don’t know why but I know a family like this as well. Money, trips, gifts, etc. and tragedy caught up to them. My Mom always wished for their life, but they can have it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thinking of Caroline Kennedy; losing her father to an assasination when she was a child; watching her mother grieve her father’s horrific death; losing her brother suddenly in a plane crash and now her young daughter struck down my terminal cancer.

What is going on?? She is like the real life Meredith Grey.

I don’t know. I think it is the luck of the draw. My mother had a very tragic childhood that continued into her early adulthood. I just don’t know how she did it. Her post mid30’s and beyond were quite uneventful, thank goodness. My dad led the charmed life comparatively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

Somehow heaven doesn't want Caroline as much as it wants everyone around her. Too bad for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really do not feel the Kennedy were deserving of these tragedies everyone seems to feel they bring upon themselves. Not every President gets assassinated and not every candidate for political office either. Not everyone who makes a bad decision with transportation gets killed. I guarantee you there are people out there driving 100% drunk who get away with it. It's that one time when fate catches up..

I feel that Caroline got the brunt as last of the family standing. It is her bad fortune as it is her entire family who didn't make it. She made it but I'm not sure being the only one was really all that lucky. So sad.

Somehow heaven doesn't want Caroline as much as it wants everyone around her. Too bad for her.

+1. The tragedy is for the people who are left behind, not for the ones who got to leave early.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her mother also died of cancer at 64.

Caroline, who has never run for office or been known for seeking thrills, has lived through a lot of sorrow.

And BTW, this isn’t the grief Olympics. One can feel sympathy for her and for families affected by other tragedies.

Her mother's death wasn't exceptionally young. For a woman born in the 1920s, the life expectancy was about 70 years, plus her mother was a heavy smoker.

I disagree. I remember when Jackie Kennedy died and people widely commented how young she was. At that time, early- mid 1990s, 75 was considered a respectable age to pass away, younger than that was always tinged with greater sadness. Nowadays it seems to be 85.

I do feel sorry for Caroline Kennedy. I also think of someone I know, a lovely man whose wife died of cancer when their only child was 15, and then that boy later went on to commit suicide in his late 20s. He once had a family, and now he is all alone.

Life is crappy.