School discipline is back and Mink and Jwando are upset.

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Btw if you look at how many Black boys are disciplined vs Hispanic boys who account for a much larger portion of low income students you can't hide behind the "but it's not race it's poverty" line that is used to pretend you aren't just being racist.

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I'm all for more discipline, OP, but I don't like you and your lies. These people are doing their jobs.

I know this area tends to shy away from discipline as soon as data comes out to show that it's mostly brown kids who get it, which is sad. Poor kids usually don't get the right attention at home, and don't get the necessary mental health and neuropsych evals, and school accommodations... and poor kids tend not to be white. But none of that is an excuse for aggressive or otherwise inappropriate behavior at school. And I say that as the parent of a child with special needs, who occasionally acted out at school. he was punished for it, and it was justified.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw if you look at how many Black boys are disciplined vs Hispanic boys who account for a much larger portion of low income students you can't hide behind the "but it's not race it's poverty" line that is used to pretend you aren't just being racist.

No one is saying it’s not race, it’s poverty. What some are saying is it isn’t all racism from admin. Maybe societal racism has been so terrible that it’s given certain kids so much less hope. But all kids need to follow the rules and if you do things like bring drugs or weapons to school, or start a fight, yes you should receive a consequence no matter what color you are or what underlying personal or societal reasons contributed to your poor decision tree leading up to that offense.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be simultaneously true:
1) there can be racial bias and black and brown boys can be discriminated against with more likelihood of discipline compared to peers from different groups
2) statistically, more infractions of rules are actually committed by certain populations (which are also associated with poverty) and you can’t just ignore the code of conduct and associated discipline because you are trying to improve optics and stats. Honestly think about every well known school shooter. It’s not some 45 year old umc mom. It’s boys, mostly white, late teens early 20s.

I agree with you. Both of those things are true. But to hold both of those truths simultaneously requires a level of intelligence, competence and nuance that MCPS seems fundamentally incapable of.

+1000 and I’m a MCPS teacher

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be simultaneously true:
1) there can be racial bias and black and brown boys can be discriminated against with more likelihood of discipline compared to peers from different groups
2) statistically, more infractions of rules are actually committed by certain populations (which are also associated with poverty) and you can’t just ignore the code of conduct and associated discipline because you are trying to improve optics and stats. Honestly think about every well known school shooter. It’s not some 45 year old umc mom. It’s boys, mostly white, late teens early 20s.

I agree with you. Both of those things are true. But to hold both of those truths simultaneously requires a level of intelligence, competence and nuance that MCPS seems fundamentally incapable of.

+1000 and I’m a MCPS teacher

I'd love to see the stats taking race out of it an using poverty as an indicator instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be simultaneously true:
1) there can be racial bias and black and brown boys can be discriminated against with more likelihood of discipline compared to peers from different groups
2) statistically, more infractions of rules are actually committed by certain populations (which are also associated with poverty) and you can’t just ignore the code of conduct and associated discipline because you are trying to improve optics and stats. Honestly think about every well known school shooter. It’s not some 45 year old umc mom. It’s boys, mostly white, late teens early 20s.

I agree with you. Both of those things are true. But to hold both of those truths simultaneously requires a level of intelligence, competence and nuance that MCPS seems fundamentally incapable of.

+1000 and I’m a MCPS teacher

I'd love to see the stats taking race out of it an using poverty as an indicator instead.

Out of school supsension data starts on page 15:

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DNDU9J7AF8DD/$file/Student%20Attendance%20Suspension%20Data%20251031.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's friend said that he went to the counselor to talk about a problem he had with a kid and he got a suspension for it, so now he doesn't talk to anyone at school when he has a problem.

lie

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Anonymous wrote:Every elementary school I have subbed at this year has had a full-time security officer on site. So someone made a decision to employ them and place them at a lot of locations.

And I'm sure the parents and teachers are very happy about having a security guard around.

Liken the one who ran away from Parkland school shooting?

Or the one who arrested parents trying to rescue their kids at Uvalde?

Or the one who slammed a kid's head into the floor and gave him permanent brain damage?

Or the ones that handle day to day behavioral problems that actually allow teachers to teach. Don't need them to be Rambo, just need them to remove kids from class that are causing a disruption for the other 30.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be simultaneously true:
1) there can be racial bias and black and brown boys can be discriminated against with more likelihood of discipline compared to peers from different groups
2) statistically, more infractions of rules are actually committed by certain populations (which are also associated with poverty) and you can’t just ignore the code of conduct and associated discipline because you are trying to improve optics and stats. Honestly think about every well known school shooter. It’s not some 45 year old umc mom. It’s boys, mostly white, late teens early 20s.

I agree with you. Both of those things are true. But to hold both of those truths simultaneously requires a level of intelligence, competence and nuance that MCPS seems fundamentally incapable of.

+1000 and I’m a MCPS teacher

I'd love to see the stats taking race out of it an using poverty as an indicator instead.

Out of school supsension data starts on page 15:

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DNDU9J7AF8DD/$file/Student%20Attendance%20Suspension%20Data%20251031.pdf

Thank you for the link.

If we were to just look at poverty, or Farms,

2025 all mcps 46 in school suspensions, 30 were Farms.

All mcps 517 out of school suspensions. 402 were farms.


Wow

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Suspensions for rudeness are rare. Usually it’s for fighting. Definitely some cultural, poverty and mental health issues at play. You can see it even in the hallway with the endless stream of students wandering hallways instead of going to class.

These kids need intensive therapy more than anything else.

That and parents that care enough to even pick up the phone when the school calls.

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Anonymous wrote:We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem.

I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.

This would be a double standard if such kids don't get suspended for let's say bringing a weapon to school but a white kid who brings a weapon to school does get suspended. Or if such a kid wasn't suspended for being violent, but a Hispanic kid is suspended for the same thing.

The disparities in suspension generally don't tend to happen for the extreme examples like bringing a weapon to school. It's the more lower level offenses such as "disrupting the classroom" or "disrespect" where you see Black kids suspended more than White kids.

Isn’t it possible that the kids are getting suspended based on their behaviors and not due to skin color? It’s a fact that more minority students join gangs. It’s a fact that home discipline in lower educated areas tends to have more violence. So maybe the issue is not the schools, but the kids? Schools cannot change home life!

And how is not having consequences helping these kids for the future? No workplace is going to allow a fraction of the discipline issues that are in schools right now!

Do you have any idea how many badly behaving white boys routinely terrorize elementary classrooms and get away with it? I know several parents who complain about this, as the school gives the boy and his family infinite chances to throw tantrums, furniture and threaten to harm their peers.

You clearly have not looked at actual research on this issue nor are you in touch with what's happening in classrooms.

We had the exact same experience, but with a black child. He threw desks, chairs, and my daughter’s classroom was routinely evacuated. He had “infinite chances”.

My point is you can find an example about a white child, I have a direct example of a black child, I’m sure other people have direct examples of Latino children.

Every child should be held to the same standard of behavior.

Sure. I agree. And the data, which is national, state and local, shows that every child is NOT being held to the same standard of behavior. Hence the conversation about racial disparities.

If every child was being held to the same standard, we'd see a lot more White boys suspended and expelled on par with Black boys, since there's a growing body of evidence that boys developmentally engage in aggressive play and behaviors that can be deemed "disruptive," and yet, we don't see that.

When a precocious White boy talks back, it's deemed as cute. When a Black boy does it, it's disrespect.

These things are well documented and researched. If you aren't familiar with the information, go look at it.

So is your solution to get every kid “held to the same behavior” to NOT discipline black kids?

I’m in a DC PS and have experienced insane behavior of both black and white children in the classroom that have not had any disciplinary response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our favorite duo is back and they are seeking answers as to why school discipline is up. The two people who haven’t spent any time in a classroom, don’t listen to teachers, or parents are now throwing a fit about it.


https://mocoshow.com/2025/11/18/mcps-sees-29-out-of-school-and-80-in-school-suspension-spikes-councilmembers-seek-answers/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQKNjYyODU2ODM3OQABHruIF03msLzcf_tcQ48wvqBdWkFCgyxid_10azK4Y9QjIGRSlZPsX50bKRJ__aem_i2WCdMW677uBIkxFvwEOGw

Too bad we can't give those clowns detention.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be simultaneously true:
1) there can be racial bias and black and brown boys can be discriminated against with more likelihood of discipline compared to peers from different groups
2) statistically, more infractions of rules are actually committed by certain populations (which are also associated with poverty) and you can’t just ignore the code of conduct and associated discipline because you are trying to improve optics and stats. Honestly think about every well known school shooter. It’s not some 45 year old umc mom. It’s boys, mostly white, late teens early 20s.

I agree with you. Both of those things are true. But to hold both of those truths simultaneously requires a level of intelligence, competence and nuance that MCPS seems fundamentally incapable of.

+1000 and I’m a MCPS teacher

I'd love to see the stats taking race out of it an using poverty as an indicator instead.

Out of school supsension data starts on page 15:

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DNDU9J7AF8DD/$file/Student%20Attendance%20Suspension%20Data%20251031.pdf

Thank you for the link.

If we were to just look at poverty, or Farms,

2025 all mcps 46 in school suspensions, 30 were Farms.

All mcps 517 out of school suspensions. 402 were farms.


Wow

The problem with the data is it doesn't show how many FARMS vs non FARMS students were raised to play in authority face

The rules arent being applied in equitably.