School discipline is back and Mink and Jwando are upset.

[Anonymous]

I like Mink but not Jawando.
I’m a parent of a black child and think we need police in the schools. I wish we didn’t but we do.

I’m more concerned about how suspended/expelled kids can just move schools though.
There was a kid expelled from Briggs Chaney MS who just got moved to Banneker MS. Then they got suspended from Banneker and after 45 days can go back to Briggs Chaney.
I’d like mcps to
Answer how often that is happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando.
I’m a parent of a black child and think we need police in the schools. I wish we didn’t but we do.

I’m more concerned about how suspended/expelled kids can just move schools though.
There was a kid expelled from Briggs Chaney MS who just got moved to Banneker MS. Then they got suspended from Banneker and after 45 days can go back to Briggs Chaney.
I’d like mcps to
Answer how often that is happening.

It’s been happening for years. Isn’t that part of the reason why the locker room incident happened in DHS? Enough of this. Force the parents to homeschool.

[Anonymous]

Every elementary school I have subbed at this year has had a full-time security officer on site. So someone made a decision to employ them and place them at a lot of locations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem.

I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.

This would be a double standard if such kids don't get suspended for let's say bringing a weapon to school but a white kid who brings a weapon to school does get suspended. Or if such a kid wasn't suspended for being violent, but a Hispanic kid is suspended for the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every elementary school I have subbed at this year has had a full-time security officer on site. So someone made a decision to employ them and place them at a lot of locations.

And I'm sure the parents and teachers are very happy about having a security guard around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem.

I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.

This would be a double standard if such kids don't get suspended for let's say bringing a weapon to school but a white kid who brings a weapon to school does get suspended. Or if such a kid wasn't suspended for being violent, but a Hispanic kid is suspended for the same thing.

The disparities in suspension generally don't tend to happen for the extreme examples like bringing a weapon to school. It's the more lower level offenses such as "disrupting the classroom" or "disrespect" where you see Black kids suspended more than White kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every elementary school I have subbed at this year has had a full-time security officer on site. So someone made a decision to employ them and place them at a lot of locations.

And I'm sure the parents and teachers are very happy about having a security guard around.

Liken the one who ran away from Parkland school shooting?

Or the one who arrested parents trying to rescue their kids at Uvalde?

Or the one who slammed a kid's head into the floor and gave him permanent brain damage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem.

I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.

Do you mean to say that they have special needs?

A student is not anyone's special need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every elementary school I have subbed at this year has had a full-time security officer on site. So someone made a decision to employ them and place them at a lot of locations.

And I'm sure the parents and teachers are very happy about having a security guard around.

Liken the one who ran away from Parkland school shooting?

Or the one who arrested parents trying to rescue their kids at Uvalde?

Or the one who slammed a kid's head into the floor and gave him permanent brain damage?

pointing out a few outliers isn't helping your cause.

The vast majority of parents and teachers like having security guards around in school.

Feel free to manage the violent kids in the schools yourself so that teachers can focus on teachers, and parents don't have to worry about their kids safety in the school.

[Anonymous]

Mink and Jawando need to spend a month teaching some on-level classes at some of our lower income schools before they are allowed to open their mouths. Most kids at these schools want the trouble makers to be suspended. A few out of control kids can ruin the environment for everyone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mink and Jawando need to spend a month teaching some on-level classes at some of our lower income schools before they are allowed to open their mouths. Most kids at these schools want the trouble makers to be suspended. A few out of control kids can ruin the environment for everyone

+1

Teachers can’t control the diversity in the classroom, all they can do is react to misbehaviors by whomever causes them. It should not matter what the color of a child’s skin!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mink and Jawando need to spend a month teaching some on-level classes at some of our lower income schools before they are allowed to open their mouths. Most kids at these schools want the trouble makers to be suspended. A few out of control kids can ruin the environment for everyone

+3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem.

I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.

This would be a double standard if such kids don't get suspended for let's say bringing a weapon to school but a white kid who brings a weapon to school does get suspended. Or if such a kid wasn't suspended for being violent, but a Hispanic kid is suspended for the same thing.

The disparities in suspension generally don't tend to happen for the extreme examples like bringing a weapon to school. It's the more lower level offenses such as "disrupting the classroom" or "disrespect" where you see Black kids suspended more than White kids.

Most of those disparities are explained by frequency. You don’t get disciplined for “disrupting the classroom “ the first few times you do it, but after enough incidents you do. A naive examination of the discipline reasons and rates will miss this.

[Anonymous]

Mink has done a lot of good, and I believe her heart is in the right place.

Jawando, though? He'll jump on whatever bandwagon gets him the higher office he so badly craves. Not to mention that his credibility on public education is nil. He's a private school kid whose experience with public schools is limited to suing MCPS when his kid didn't get a spot at the "good" Spanish immersion program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like Mink but not Jawando.
I’m a parent of a black child and think we need police in the schools. I wish we didn’t but we do.

I’m more concerned about how suspended/expelled kids can just move schools though.
There was a kid expelled from Briggs Chaney MS who just got moved to Banneker MS. Then they got suspended from Banneker and after 45 days can go back to Briggs Chaney.
I’d like mcps to
Answer how often that is happening.

They need more seats in alternative programs. That's literally the answer. Contra what DCUM would like, schools cannot actually "make parents homeschool." A child has the right to an education. Not necessarily a mainstream education, but an education. But MCPS has reduced the number of seats in programs for adjudicated youth, or kids with persistent behavioral issues. So they have no choice but to move the kids from school to school to school.

The answer is special programs, and yes there will be racial disparities but someone needs to be brave enough to advocate for the programs to reopen.