Admission process transparency

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

You are requesting the right?

Yes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

That's what you wrote, idiot.

No arguments. Just ad hominem attacks. Proves my point about the private school crowd

Are you requesting the right to information?

If you have a right, why do you need to request it?

You don’t understand what “right” means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

That's what you wrote, idiot.

No arguments. Just ad hominem attacks. Proves my point about the private school crowd

Are you requesting the right to information?

If you have a right, why do you need to request it?

You don’t understand what “right” means.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you're confused.

[Anonymous]

It would be fascinating if a lawsuit could compel this data. But I wonder if accurate records are even kept at smaller privates or if the juicy stuff is buried in verbal conversations and meetings without recorded minutes. Some of this starts at the preschool level, with HOS's googling addresses and resumes of all families.

I've found so many admissions decisions bizarre until years later, when the missing piece of the puzzle emerged—usually a parent sitting on a board of a feeder school or a grandparent who was a mega-donor. I'm also curious to which extent independent schools mimic the priorities of colleges. Until recently, diverse candidates were incredibly prioritized in admissions and athletic recruitment was rare, but it seems to be shifting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

Housing is a basic right, private education is a privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

Housing is a basic right, private education is a privilege.

No, the rule applies to all landlords. Not just the ones with affordable housing options.

[Anonymous]

Having a child applying to 9th grade , I can see where OP is coming from.

The admissions process is EXHAUSTING for both the parents and the kids. I have literally been to one school FIVE times already for various admissions events (tours, interview, dropping off DC for a shadow day, athletics event, parent coffee...) and that is just ONE school. DC is applying to six schools and this has been like a full time job. They are applying to six schools just to make sure they can get into one because nothing is guaranteed and we have no idea what the schools really want.

I just wish schools would give some loose guidelines as to what they are looking for for me to know if my child even has a shot at that school. That way we don't waste our time or the admissions teams time.

The problem is that I believe that the performance of the admissions team is based on how many applications they get. They have every incentive to encourage you to apply even though they know your child does not stand a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

Housing is a basic right, private education is a privilege.

No, the rule applies to all landlords. Not just the ones with affordable housing options.

I know, but you still have no right to private education. It’s a bad comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

Housing is a basic right, private education is a privilege.

No, the rule applies to all landlords. Not just the ones with affordable housing options.

I know, but you still have no right to private education. It’s a bad comparison.

Nor does one have a right to a luxury apartment, but there are rules that govern info that landlords must provide - not just in public housing projects. I agree your comparison was bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

That's what you wrote, idiot.

No arguments. Just ad hominem attacks. Proves my point about the private school crowd

Are you requesting the right to information?

If you have a right, why do you need to request it?

You don’t understand what “right” means.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you're confused.

Now who is not being transparent?

You said you are requesting the right of receiving information.

Or are you asking something else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

No, you don’t.