Child getting pulled out for ESL help but isn’t an English language learner
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Anonymous
I would like to read this link but it doesn't work for me. Can you link to a paywalled version so the source can be identified? |
Anonymous
Pullouts are a GOOD thing. He's getting help with reading. To quote a great movie, "What's your damage, Heather?" |
Anonymous
| This thread is wild. As an Asian-Am parent, this makes me so angry! |
Anonymous
He passed the ESL component. If he needs reading help, the classroom teacher should have communicated that with the parents. And the ESL teacher should have explained that she is doing literacy pull-outs, not just that she does ESL and has been working with OP's son. |
Anonymous
| We need an update, OP! |
Anonymous
It should. I was livid. My son needed no help with reading. They were just racist. I chose a different school after I found out, one with more diversity and higher percentage of Asians. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
NP. They aren't missing class time! The rest of the class just sits around playing on computers during that time block. Ask me how I know. Dh has been upset about it for years (extra computer use and nothing planned). Why aren't they at least just having kids read? |
Anonymous
| In our district, once you mention any other language other than English spoken at home (even if it’s one a year when granny comes to visit from Korea), you are on the hook for those tests. However parents know when kids reclassify (and they get info about their levels once the kids do their initial testing). So it’s strange. |
Anonymous
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To add, as an ESL tester, I’ve seen a bunch of really smart K students who speak great English, but who got into this program just by their parents being honest, and sometimes it’s a bit tricky to get out of it because you need to have writing skills for example that not even all native speakers have in K.
So if your child knows at least basic English I suggest you don’t mark any other languages on home language surveys. Yes kids from educated families do test out by 3rd grade generally but sometimes there are other things that hinder their performance on tests, like anxiety or SN. And they keep going thru these meaningless tests losing on class time. It’s twice a year for an hour or so though, so maybe not too bad. |
Anonymous
Correct. If a child speaks a language other than English at home, schools are legally obligated to assess their need for English learner services, to meet their 14th amendment rights to an equal education. Unfortunately, as some people note, exiting services requires proving English language proficiency, which can be a high standard for some kindergarten students. |
Anonymous
By the way I personally know multiple Latino families that have had to BEG to get their English speaking kids removed from ESL. https://demystifyinglanguage.fordham.edu/articles/language-is-not-the-problem-racism-is-the-problem/ |
Anonymous
The 14th amendment doesn't say you have to assess every child whose parents list English alongside another language spoken at home. That is a choice by school districts to maximize their funding at the expense of students of color. |
Anonymous
Pullouts are BAD if the child doesn’t need them (and sometimes bad even if the child is behind in the subject). |
Anonymous
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Parents can opt students out of receiving EL services. They will still be annually assessed, but will not receive services.
In 25 years as a classroom and EL teacher, I’ve never thought or heard anyone else talk about a child in terms of funding. We are too busy trying to help the large caseloads we have. |