RTO is a myth/joke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol. Love how everyone jumps all over this thread at 2 in the afternoon on a Monday to explain how they’re working so hard in the office.

There is your proof that people don’t work more in the office.

There are less than 100 comments. How many feds are in the DMV? That’s not a lot of people. But continue confirming your own beliefs by all means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do I know? Because I see hundreds of parents (many of whom I know are federal employees) every day picking their kids up from camp at 2:30 in the afternoon (after 9 am drop offs).

Then attending Friday camp shows every Friday from 2- 3 pm.

So unless they’re taking tons of leave, I’m pretty sure all these people haven’t RTO’d.

Yes so many “complaints” on DCUM and elsewhere about RTO. Doesn’t add up.

Meanwhile, opm issues guidance basically directing agencies to let employees TW if they have to pray that day.

It’s a joke.

Or maybe they took the fork offer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, as another pp pointed out, there is no need for me to save my leave anymore if I could get fired at any moment. Or resign at any moment. The "stable job" part of federal employment is gone and most of us are acting like it.

Huh if you can get fired or resign at any moment YMMV but I’d rather do that while cashing out 40k in vacation time on the way out rather - there will be plenty of time after that to get your hair done or go shopping.

But yeah OP people are out and about a ton because they are burning leave left and right. I’ve had coworkers take full days off for errands like hair cuts and car servicing bc they simply didn’t want to come in.

Meh I had over 240 hours saved and it was "only" 17k. I'm a GS 14, so maybe others have more, but I'm sure it's not 40k getting paid out.

I’m at a financial regulator and GS-15 supervisors have 480 hours of use or lose and SESers have 760. It’s over $100k for some people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, as another pp pointed out, there is no need for me to save my leave anymore if I could get fired at any moment. Or resign at any moment. The "stable job" part of federal employment is gone and most of us are acting like it.

Huh if you can get fired or resign at any moment YMMV but I’d rather do that while cashing out 40k in vacation time on the way out rather - there will be plenty of time after that to get your hair done or go shopping.

But yeah OP people are out and about a ton because they are burning leave left and right. I’ve had coworkers take full days off for errands like hair cuts and car servicing bc they simply didn’t want to come in.

Meh I had over 240 hours saved and it was "only" 17k. I'm a GS 14, so maybe others have more, but I'm sure it's not 40k getting paid out.

And hiring a nanny or extended day to allow you to work the full day will likely cost as much as your leave is worth after tax

Camps and childcare costs have exploded

Yep the same camp last year was 475. It was 585 this year. Exact same hours location and theme. AACO

[Anonymous]

Lots of leave being taken by DH and me for the kid summer shuffle. Mine are older elementary/middle school and it’s always been like that in my family for summers. Just because parents are doing 2:30 camp pickup doesn’t mean parents didn’t clock out (or take leave). Based on AM commutes I’d hardly say RTO is a myth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a fed and no one is teleworking. NO ONE. Contractors are still teleworking nonstop though.

Several people do work 6-2:30, as the parking lot is pretty full by 6am.

I take every Friday off in the summer. DH and I trade who picks up and drops off, so he does drop off at 9 and I pick up at 3:30.

This is what my spouse does. Goes in early.

[Anonymous]

At this point I'd rather use my leave than to keep accruing it.

[Anonymous]

IDK why this is so shocking to you. I def have coworkers who leave at 230 pm - bc they arrive at 6 am. I have others who are taking a few hours off every single day bc camp only goes to 2 or 3 pm and there's no other way to get to their kid. There are others who pick up their kid at 230 pm but the other parent did drop off in the morning at 8-9 am, enabling the pick up parent to get to work at 6 am. Do you really not know these possibilities exist? And why is it your business anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point I'd rather use my leave than to keep accruing it.

Why? I'm not judging I'm really asking - as a leave hoarder myself. IDK I don't expect to stay in government - whether of my own volition or being let go - so the way I see it, why not grab 30-40k+ out the door? Is it about not wanting to miss time with your kids etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Man you're a miserable person.

No one teleworks at my entire agency unless it's some sort of medical emergency. Very rare.

Agreed. OP, you need boundaries and to MYOB.

[Anonymous]

We are using as much leave as possible; no sense in letting it build up any more. I get to work early and take off time in the afternoon.

A lot of the parents OP thinks are "feds" are probably federal contractors who never stopped working remotely.

[Anonymous]

Camp providers realized during Covid they don't need to provide full days. I use my lunch hour to pick my kids up from camp, drop them home and then go back to the office. I am working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in the office. When I can't stay late, I take half hour of leave here and there.

For the doctors appts and car appts, that was the perfect thing to do on a tw day. Maybe you'd need 90 mins of leave. Now it's an all day off kind of thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband is a fed and had to RTO 5 days a week. It sucks.
I’m a fed still at home covering everything at home. Also sucks.
We are both working long hours and he is def back in office. No flexibility. From an agency that pioneered telework.

This comment is so tone deaf. Are we supposed to pity you because you work from home and now you and your husband don’t work from home?

Most people do not work from home. Most people do not have spouses that work from home.

Just deal with it.

[Anonymous]

I’m a fed parent you see at camp drop off and pickup, and at the pool for the afternoon. Because I took the fork and am making the best of a horrible situation! Others in my neighborhood are doing the same after being RIFd or put on admin leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, as another pp pointed out, there is no need for me to save my leave anymore if I could get fired at any moment. Or resign at any moment. The "stable job" part of federal employment is gone and most of us are acting like it.

Huh if you can get fired or resign at any moment YMMV but I’d rather do that while cashing out 40k in vacation time on the way out rather - there will be plenty of time after that to get your hair done or go shopping.

But yeah OP people are out and about a ton because they are burning leave left and right. I’ve had coworkers take full days off for errands like hair cuts and car servicing bc they simply didn’t want to come in.

Meh I had over 240 hours saved and it was "only" 17k. I'm a GS 14, so maybe others have more, but I'm sure it's not 40k getting paid out.

I’m at a financial regulator and GS-15 supervisors have 480 hours of use or lose and SESers have 760. It’s over $100k for some people.

I’m sure you live next to 100 maxed out employees who happen to all work at FinReg…