Do you consider people from Spain to be Latinos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm French. Many people near the Mediterranean, whether it's southern France, or Spain, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc, have a Moorish background (originally from Mauritania).

Europeans and northern Africans have no concept of "Latino". It's "Mediterranean".

The American notion of "Latino" is firmly rooted in Latin America, which is a hodge-podge of Spaniards, Portuguese, other Europeans, as well as different native Americans, the Caribbean and also Asians, mostly from South Asia but also East Asia!

So... Latino applies to Spain in term of language. But geographic origin? Definitely not. Genes? Definitely not.

Agree

Never seen anyone call a Spaniard a Latino.

Try it sometime and see them laugh their @$$e$ off at you.

[Anonymous]

Hispanic means Central America, Caribbean, and South America Spanish speaking countries. Not French, not Portuguese, not Dutch.

Frankly in today’s nomenclature Hispanic means Central America (includes Mexico) and the Spanish speaking Caribbean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

If that person moves to the US as an adult and has children, are the children Latino?

culturally probably yes unless you didn’t teach them anything Latino.

[Anonymous]

Non Hispanic South Americans also include Germans who fled Europe after WWII because they were implicated in the Holocaust.

[Anonymous]

I’m not totally sure what, if any difference there is between Latinos and Hispanics, but I know that people from Spain aren’t considered Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spain is not in Latin America. Check a map.

+1. They are not Latinos. They are Hispanic.

They are definitely not Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Spain is not in Latin America. Check a map.

+1. They are not Latinos. They are Hispanic.

They are definitely not Hispanic.

The "span" in Hispanic literally refers to Spain. It is not actually that complicated.

I agree that it would be weird to refer to a Spanish person as Hispanic rather than Spanish, but not because it's inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not consider Spaniards to be Latinos but I do consider them to be the best wine and cheese makers on the planet, maybe even Outer Space.

Not the French?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spanish people are not latinos, but South Americans are not either. They (we) are Latin Americans. Latinx is a category used only in the context of migration to the USA and points to cultural hybridization between Central/South America and North America. For example: I am South American, as my whole family is. That we have circumstantially lived in the US for a couple of years does not change our identity. So in a form I would mark Hispanic, but not Latinx, as opposed to my friend whose mother is Mexican and his father Colombian, but was born and raised in the USA. She marks latinx.

How are South Americans are not Latinos?

Latinx is a made up new category that WE LATINOS reject.

Latino/Latina/Latinx all refer to the same group of people, though.

I notice that the first PP mentions an American friend's Mexican/Colombian parents but refers to themself as non-specifically South American and Hispanic. Non-Hispanic South Americans include Brazilians and other South American countries not colonized linguistically by Spain. The only reason I can see to refer to yourself as South American and Hispanic rather than Latino would be to exclude Central Americans. Sounds racist to me.

There is a lot of racism against Indigenous people in Latin America and a lot of denial of ancestral roots (possibly because they don't want to be victims of racism). Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador have large Indigenous populations who were also colonized (and in South America!) yet the PP does not believe they are Latinos. Weird. My Colombian, Venezuelan Paraguayan and Uruguayan friends consider themselves Latinos too.

There are some South American people look down on us because we are Mestizos, Latinos, brown, Central American, you name it! To you point about the term latinx, it really is a term that is/was imposed on us. There was an article from NBC that only a small group of people use the term, most don't. I find it offensive, personally. I get that DCUM uses it to get a rise from people.

As to the original post, I consider Spaniards to be Hispanic, not Latinos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

I mean my white American mom was born and grew up partially in Peru (granddad's job) but I don't think we qualify as Latino.

Heck my Grandma was born and raised in Venezuela, and has indigenous and Spanish ancestry, but she never considered herself Hispanic. I think she basically thought of herself as white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

I mean my white American mom was born and grew up partially in Peru (granddad's job) but I don't think we qualify as Latino.

Heck my Grandma was born and raised in Venezuela, and has indigenous and Spanish ancestry, but she never considered herself Hispanic. I think she basically thought of herself as white.

Only because she was part of the self loathing Latina generation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not totally sure what, if any difference there is between Latinos and Hispanics, but I know that people from Spain aren’t considered Hispanic.

It's been explained on this thread and yes, Spaniards are considered Hispanic. More commonly you would probably just call them Spanish but they are the origin of the Hispanic umbrella.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Non Hispanic South Americans also include Germans who fled Europe after WWII because they were implicated in the Holocaust.

Or fled the economic ruin that was Germany. They weren't all war criminals. There were also some Italians that fled there for the same reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Latinos I know do not include Spaniards and consider them snobs.
There is a mom at our school with a Spanish last name and a mystery Tommy Wiseau accent. I asked her where she is from and she said "Europe." My Mexican friend thinks she didn't want her to know she is Spanish.

oh hai Mark! Someone who knows who Tommy Wiseau is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they included in the group? Why or why not?

(Discussed this w/ friends last weekend and did not all agree)

We don't call ourselves "Latinos" to begin with, since that's purely a white-PC racist term. Only certain Americans call themselves or others that.

Rant over.