Do you consider people from Spain to be Latinos?

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omg what a grouch

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Anonymous wrote:Spain is not in Latin America. Check a map.

+1. They are not Latinos. They are Hispanic.

This. I consider them Hispanic.

Correct. Hispanic refers to language, Spanish, so includes Spain and Spanish speaking Latin America. Latino is based on geography, so includes all Latin American countries regardless of language. Spaniards are Hispanic but not Latino. Brazilians are Latino but not Hispanic. Colombians are both.

[Anonymous]

Good article that sums this up: https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-hispanic-and-latino

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Anonymous wrote:I'm French. Many people near the Mediterranean, whether it's southern France, or Spain, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc, have a Moorish background (originally from Mauritania).

Europeans and northern Africans have no concept of "Latino". It's "Mediterranean".

The American notion of "Latino" is firmly rooted in Latin America, which is a hodge-podge of Spaniards, Portuguese, other Europeans, as well as different native Americans, the Caribbean and also Asians, mostly from South Asia but also East Asia!

So... Latino applies to Spain in term of language. But geographic origin? Definitely not. Genes? Definitely not.

Who gives a shit if your French or what Europeans think. Spaniards are not Latinos even if you're from Mars.

Now I see why French people avoid Americans. It is as if Americans behave as if wearing a necklace of dog turds around the neck.

There's a French poster on DCUM who has to begin every post by telling everyone they're French.
They're a reason why other Europeans avoid the French.

I'm the French person from upthread. There are several French posters on DCUM. It's reasonable to say we're from that country, or from the EU, when the matters pertains to Europe. When I've identified as European, I've been excoriated as a snob. Actually, I have lived in the UK, Germany and France, so I do have more of a European identity than someone who has never left France, for example. To the earlier poster who knows a Spaniard who calls themselves European, maybe they've lived in several EU countries. It's getting more and more common, since all EU citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU.

Finally, I've been on DCUM for 15 years, and have noticed particular ire directed towards the French, with references to surrender monkeys, accusations of being a snob, etc. Maybe don't lay out your prejudices for all to see.

Except this matter does not pertain to Europe. It’s certainly does not pertain to France. It pertains to Spain specifically. And you are not Spanish. No one asked what the French think of the Spanish.

Uhm DP but where you do you think Spain is located?

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Anonymous wrote:Are they included in the group? Why or why not?

(Discussed this w/ friends last weekend and did not all agree)

No. Hispanic

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Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

If that person moves to the US as an adult and has children, are the children Latino?

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Latino means Latin American. Spain is in....Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm French. Many people near the Mediterranean, whether it's southern France, or Spain, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc, have a Moorish background (originally from Mauritania).

Europeans and northern Africans have no concept of "Latino". It's "Mediterranean".

The American notion of "Latino" is firmly rooted in Latin America, which is a hodge-podge of Spaniards, Portuguese, other Europeans, as well as different native Americans, the Caribbean and also Asians, mostly from South Asia but also East Asia!

So... Latino applies to Spain in term of language. But geographic origin? Definitely not. Genes? Definitely not.

Who gives a shit if your French or what Europeans think. Spaniards are not Latinos even if you're from Mars.

Now I see why French people avoid Americans. It is as if Americans behave as if wearing a necklace of dog turds around the neck.

There's a French poster on DCUM who has to begin every post by telling everyone they're French.
They're a reason why other Europeans avoid the French.

I'm the French person from upthread. There are several French posters on DCUM. It's reasonable to say we're from that country, or from the EU, when the matters pertains to Europe. When I've identified as European, I've been excoriated as a snob. Actually, I have lived in the UK, Germany and France, so I do have more of a European identity than someone who has never left France, for example. To the earlier poster who knows a Spaniard who calls themselves European, maybe they've lived in several EU countries. It's getting more and more common, since all EU citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU.

Finally, I've been on DCUM for 15 years, and have noticed particular ire directed towards the French, with references to surrender monkeys, accusations of being a snob, etc. Maybe don't lay out your prejudices for all to see.

Except this matter does not pertain to Europe. It’s certainly does not pertain to France. It pertains to Spain specifically. And you are not Spanish. No one asked what the French think of the Spanish.

Uhm DP but where you do you think Spain is located?

Sure. But the French poster offered her opinion on how Europeans view the Spanish, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:Spanish people are not latinos, but South Americans are not either. They (we) are Latin Americans. Latinx is a category used only in the context of migration to the USA and points to cultural hybridization between Central/South America and North America. For example: I am South American, as my whole family is. That we have circumstantially lived in the US for a couple of years does not change our identity. So in a form I would mark Hispanic, but not Latinx, as opposed to my friend whose mother is Mexican and his father Colombian, but was born and raised in the USA. She marks latinx.

How are South Americans are not Latinos?

Latinx is a made up new category that WE LATINOS reject.

No South Americans are not all Latinos go look at the map. There is a hierarchy "chart", forgot what it was but something like Mexicans say they are *only* Mexicans, leave the Brazilians as Portuguese, no Bolivians aren't Mexicans, Columbians-El Salvadorians-Ecuadorians-Dominicians are another group and no Dominicans aren't black, those English speaking Belizians, and a few others about the other countries etc. Point is there is a lotta disagreement within the "Latino" community as to who should be considered a Latino and each group thinks they are better than the next Latino. There's a caste system everywhere in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm French. Many people near the Mediterranean, whether it's southern France, or Spain, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc, have a Moorish background (originally from Mauritania).

Europeans and northern Africans have no concept of "Latino". It's "Mediterranean".

The American notion of "Latino" is firmly rooted in Latin America, which is a hodge-podge of Spaniards, Portuguese, other Europeans, as well as different native Americans, the Caribbean and also Asians, mostly from South Asia but also East Asia!

So... Latino applies to Spain in term of language. But geographic origin? Definitely not. Genes? Definitely not.

Who gives a shit if your French or what Europeans think. Spaniards are not Latinos even if you're from Mars.

Now I see why French people avoid Americans. It is as if Americans behave as if wearing a necklace of dog turds around the neck.

There's a French poster on DCUM who has to begin every post by telling everyone they're French.
They're a reason why other Europeans avoid the French.

I'm the French person from upthread. There are several French posters on DCUM. It's reasonable to say we're from that country, or from the EU, when the matters pertains to Europe. When I've identified as European, I've been excoriated as a snob. Actually, I have lived in the UK, Germany and France, so I do have more of a European identity than someone who has never left France, for example. To the earlier poster who knows a Spaniard who calls themselves European, maybe they've lived in several EU countries. It's getting more and more common, since all EU citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU.

Finally, I've been on DCUM for 15 years, and have noticed particular ire directed towards the French, with references to surrender monkeys, accusations of being a snob, etc. Maybe don't lay out your prejudices for all to see.

Except this matter does not pertain to Europe. It’s certainly does not pertain to France. It pertains to Spain specifically. And you are not Spanish. No one asked what the French think of the Spanish.

Uhm DP but where you do you think Spain is located?

Sure. But the French poster offered her opinion on how Europeans view the Spanish, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

If that person moves to the US as an adult and has children, are the children Latino?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Spanish people are not latinos, but South Americans are not either. They (we) are Latin Americans. Latinx is a category used only in the context of migration to the USA and points to cultural hybridization between Central/South America and North America. For example: I am South American, as my whole family is. That we have circumstantially lived in the US for a couple of years does not change our identity. So in a form I would mark Hispanic, but not Latinx, as opposed to my friend whose mother is Mexican and his father Colombian, but was born and raised in the USA. She marks latinx.

How are South Americans are not Latinos?

Latinx is a made up new category that WE LATINOS reject.

No South Americans are not all Latinos go look at the map. There is a hierarchy "chart", forgot what it was but something like Mexicans say they are *only* Mexicans, leave the Brazilians as Portuguese, no Bolivians aren't Mexicans, Columbians-El Salvadorians-Ecuadorians-Dominicians are another group and no Dominicans aren't black, those English speaking Belizians, and a few others about the other countries etc. Point is there is a lotta disagreement within the "Latino" community as to who should be considered a Latino and each group thinks they are better than the next Latino. There's a caste system everywhere in the world.

You’re wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Spanish people are not latinos, but South Americans are not either. They (we) are Latin Americans. Latinx is a category used only in the context of migration to the USA and points to cultural hybridization between Central/South America and North America. For example: I am South American, as my whole family is. That we have circumstantially lived in the US for a couple of years does not change our identity. So in a form I would mark Hispanic, but not Latinx, as opposed to my friend whose mother is Mexican and his father Colombian, but was born and raised in the USA. She marks latinx.

How are South Americans are not Latinos?

Latinx is a made up new category that WE LATINOS reject.

Latino/Latina/Latinx all refer to the same group of people, though.

I notice that the first PP mentions an American friend's Mexican/Colombian parents but refers to themself as non-specifically South American and Hispanic. Non-Hispanic South Americans include Brazilians and other South American countries not colonized linguistically by Spain. The only reason I can see to refer to yourself as South American and Hispanic rather than Latino would be to exclude Central Americans. Sounds racist to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Husband (born and raised in Spain) and wife (born and raised in Italy) move to Argentina after getting married. They have a kid two years later.

Is the kid who was born in Argentina "Latino"? Why or why not?

Anyone born and raised in Argentina is Latino. Full stop.

If that person moves to the US as an adult and has children, are the children Latino?

Yes.

I agree with you but this was quite an argument a few years ago when I suggested to a friend that her son should check Latino on his college apps. He didn’t, fwiw, but another friend was pretty annoyed that I thought he should.

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Anonymous wrote:Are they included in the group? Why or why not?

(Discussed this w/ friends last weekend and did not all agree)

No

Latino is South America. Period.