How is pre-med going for your DC at a selective college?

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Alabama for free.

Not a smart move if medical school is the goal (or a great education, for that matter): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Meh, I don’t think this is across-the-board true. If you had the stats to get a free ride to Bama, then you had a good SAT/ACT score and should be able to do well enough in the pre-med classes. GPA and MCAT score are the primary factors to getting into a MD program. You can make it known on the app that you got a free ride to Bama.

Here is the problem, not specifically directed at Bama. Recently as part of med school consulting we had a client with very poor MCAT scores after months of study and a review course, with subscores in the chem and biochem areas significantly lower than the other two. The student went to a non-flagship public ranked in Top75 that is very popular for DMV to attend out of state. They had received a B in organic chem and a A- in biochem, B in physics. never got a C. They did not recall covering half of the topics in the Kaplan review section for Ochem and biochem. They knew some basics but could not apply the knowledge to the questions. Their tests were mostly reaction recall, not application problems. We ask SAT scores; they were approaching the 75th%ile for this college. The student had the background to be capable but did not have a rigorous college coursework despite the great gpa.
Our group of docs have experience on admissions of med schools, average to top ones. premed courses are not the same everywhere. MCAT prep takes a lot longer and can go very wrong when you do not have a solid understanding of the basics.

I completely believe this and also why it bothers me when people claim is orgo (for example) is same everywhere as same material. Mine is at a T10, the exams are insanely difficult, there is absolutely no way it is same level of difficulty everywhere. The exams require deep understanding and application. It’s also why it’s stated top schools with very high average MCAT’s also require a small fraction of the test prep time.

+1 agree, having seen assessments for top10 v t50

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

Neither weed out much now. Hopkins and WashU have similar grading, curved to B/B+ medians for intros, higher for UL courses, Cs are rare. Hopkins has changed a lot since our gen was premed 90s, with half the course getting Cs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go with a large state university with a teaching hospital

No no no

+1
Go to a top private with a med school

[Anonymous]

U Michigan is terrific so far. Great college experience, smart collaborative, friends, and classmates. Very good professors in classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

Neither weed out much now. Hopkins and WashU have similar grading, curved to B/B+ medians for intros, higher for UL courses, Cs are rare. Hopkins has changed a lot since our gen was premed 90s, with half the course getting Cs.

This is not true. My kid’s WashU bio and chem classes did NOT curve.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid isn’t pre-med but most of their friends at their T-25 are. Lots of anxiety over getting into certain lab sections, hard to get into pre-med extracurriculars, and the anxiety over getting a pre-med internship (research, shadowing) seems to start right after first year orientation.

Is this a public? Everyone gets into premed courses and labs at kid's non-ivy T15. They open more sections if they fill. Literally every single student can get undergrad research in something. There are endless volunteer organizations to get involved with, many no cuts. Sure everyone wants to join a certain premed club as freshmen, but then they realize there are a hundred other groups to make a difference and show that you care about humanity. There are so many professors who mention "ask me about research" at the start of classes. Kid has a very good friend at an ivy and it is the same situation. The only person we have heard of having a bit of a rough go with classes is at Berkeley. But they did eventually get in to all the ones needed.

Which school is this?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

Neither weed out much now. Hopkins and WashU have similar grading, curved to B/B+ medians for intros, higher for UL courses, Cs are rare. Hopkins has changed a lot since our gen was premed 90s, with half the course getting Cs.

So much nonsense in 5 short lines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

Neither weed out much now. Hopkins and WashU have similar grading, curved to B/B+ medians for intros, higher for UL courses, Cs are rare. Hopkins has changed a lot since our gen was premed 90s, with half the course getting Cs.

So much nonsense in 5 short lines.

This. People are talking like they know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Cornell
WashU
UChicago

Holy trinity.

I thought Johns Hopkins is more cruel in weeding out premed wannabes.
WashU is not as bad?

Neither weed out much now. Hopkins and WashU have similar grading, curved to B/B+ medians for intros, higher for UL courses, Cs are rare. Hopkins has changed a lot since our gen was premed 90s, with half the course getting Cs.

Johns Hopkins still weeds out like crazy. Every year at least one kid from our high school gives up premed at the end of first year at Johns Hopkins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Alabama for free.

Not a smart move if medical school is the goal (or a great education, for that matter): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Meh, I don’t think this is across-the-board true. If you had the stats to get a free ride to Bama, then you had a good SAT/ACT score and should be able to do well enough in the pre-med classes. GPA and MCAT score are the primary factors to getting into a MD program. You can make it known on the app that you got a free ride to Bama.

GPA and MCAT scores are very important, but I wouldn't call them "primary" factors. You need to have a complete pkg - GPA, MCAT, volunteering, clinical experience, research, strong LOR...

Which you can do at Alabama...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go to Alabama for free.

Not a smart move if medical school is the goal (or a great education, for that matter): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Meh, I don’t think this is across-the-board true. If you had the stats to get a free ride to Bama, then you had a good SAT/ACT score and should be able to do well enough in the pre-med classes. GPA and MCAT score are the primary factors to getting into a MD program. You can make it known on the app that you got a free ride to Bama.

GPA and MCAT scores are very important, but I wouldn't call them "primary" factors. You need to have a complete pkg - GPA, MCAT, volunteering, clinical experience, research, strong LOR...

Which you can do at Alabama...

Kids can do anywhere with premed programs if they are driven enough

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

Northwestern has deflation.

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At any top school pre med will.be brutal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At any top school pre med will.be brutal.

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