How is pre-med going for your DC at a selective college?

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

You’ve clearly never heard of NYU which has been free for quite a while. I think Cleveland clinic also recently became free too.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Alabama for free.

Not a smart move if medical school is the goal (or a great education, for that matter): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Meh, I don’t think this is across-the-board true. If you had the stats to get a free ride to Bama, then you had a good SAT/ACT score and should be able to do well enough in the pre-med classes. GPA and MCAT score are the primary factors to getting into a MD program. You can make it known on the app that you got a free ride to Bama.

GPA and MCAT scores are very important, but I wouldn't call them "primary" factors. You need to have a complete pkg - GPA, MCAT, volunteering, clinical experience, research, strong LOR...

What is your source for this? I disagree. A lot.

MCAT score is incredibly important. Your app won’t make it through to a holistic review if it’s too low. It’s a dealbreaker. Therefore saying it’s a primary factor is very true. It is waaaay more important than SAT/ACT score for undergrad.

Big disagree. A 4.0/1600/nothing else student may get rejected by top schools, but will get in somewhere decent for undergrad. Not true for a 4.0/528/nothing else premed - they will be rejected everywhere.

This doesn’t make any sense to compare in this manner. Nearly everyone who applies to undergrad gets in to an undergrad program. That is not true with medical school. There is just nothing useful to be taken from this comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

You’ve clearly never heard of NYU which has been free for quite a while. I think Cleveland clinic also recently became free too.

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"The Cleveland Clinic" is an actual medical school? And NYU is free to all medical students? You're right; I didnt know this. Guessing these are extremely competitive programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

You’ve clearly never heard of NYU which has been free for quite a while. I think Cleveland clinic also recently became free too.

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"The Cleveland Clinic" is an actual medical school? And NYU is free to all medical students? You're right; I didnt know this. Guessing these are extremely competitive programs.

I think NYU is the only program that offers free and it's about 4-5 years old (my kid wasn't accepted) at NYU.

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

You’ve clearly never heard of NYU which has been free for quite a while. I think Cleveland clinic also recently became free too.

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"The Cleveland Clinic" is an actual medical school? And NYU is free to all medical students? You're right; I didnt know this. Guessing these are extremely competitive programs.

It’s called something else - Lerner - and it’s been free. Albert Einstein in the Bronx became free last year after receiving a huge endowment. Hopkins annnounced last year they are free to families making under $175k.

And, yes, they are very competitive.

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We have a lot of friends in florida who are doctors. Their kids all go to state schools in FL and seem to be making it into good med schools. I know atleast 10 kids doing that. We are from the NE and my kids seem so focused on selective colleges paying $90k a year. Meanwhile, these kids all seem to prefer going to FL state schools on bright futures scholarships and then going to med schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how people think someone on the college sports team factors into this. As far as the EC stuff outside grades/mcat.

Former experience in admissions. It does not factor. The ECs they care about are the ones that relate to impacting the community/showing you care about others. I suppose if being an athlete somehow led one to medicine that could be an interesting factor for the personal statement and in interviews, but nothing more. Community ECs and research would still be needed. That being said there were some recruited athletes in my med school class. Very few--less than 5%. Many of us were athletic/had athletic hobbies such as long distance running or triathalons, but that was not a part of the application. Med students tend to lean active/health conscious.

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

I honestly had never heard of medical schools offering academic scholarships or any form of financial aid. I would think a lot of medical students would gladly go to lesser ranked medical schools if it meant they wouldn't be strapped with crushing debt.

You’ve clearly never heard of NYU which has been free for quite a while. I think Cleveland clinic also recently became free too.

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"The Cleveland Clinic" is an actual medical school? And NYU is free to all medical students? You're right; I didnt know this. Guessing these are extremely competitive programs.

It’s called something else - Lerner - and it’s been free. Albert Einstein in the Bronx became free last year after receiving a huge endowment. Hopkins annnounced last year they are free to families making under $175k.

And, yes, they are very competitive.

More and more med schools have scholarships or fellowships: some are need-based using parent assets others are awarded on the basis of merit alone.
TOP med schools such as UCSF, Duke, WashU, Penn have small numbers of merit based fellowships, usually for 1-2 years of tuition. These schools have all been considered T5ish med schools in the past when USNews actually ranked all. Even Harvard--generally accepted #1-- has some but they are for the latter half of med school and based on certain areas of study/research.
These top schools and many more also have need-based aid, though none are as extensive as Hopkins and AlbertEinstein.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is at a top school, with lots of premed and lots of grade DEflation. Keeping grades up is difficult, but the resources at the school are amazing.

Name the school, no top school has DE flation. I work in med school consulting and know the typical GPAs from all top schools. The medians are all between 3.65 and 3.9 Harvard/Brown being at the top and Princeton/Penn being lower. MIT has a 5 point system and is in its own group. It is a very small percentage of the graduates across all areas that have less than a B+ average/3.3 the past few years. Sure it is hard work to get above the average but there is no deflation

what group is MIT in? Why isn't it with the Ivies?

DP presumably with their 5.0 grading scale it is not comparable to ivies with a 4.0 max

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Any idea how is pre-med at BU?

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Anonymous wrote:Find this thread pretty funny as an outsider several years outside of this process. My wife went to Mary Washington, then a "low ranked" med school (on a full ride) and ended up doing residency at Mayo and Fellowship at Hopkins.

Yes, she's incredibly smart/brilliant, but each rung on the ladder means less than the one before it. Great Dr.'s come from all kinds of undegrads/med schools. It comes down to the student and the work they're willing to put forward.

How do people get "full rides" to medical school? I didn't think that was a possibility. I thought sticker price is actual price, there are no scholarships or grants, and this is why medical students have so much debt?

It was 2006? She got a full academic scholarship, but had to pay for living expenses. She was not drowning in debt upon graduation and one of the main reasons she went to the "lower" school compared to a bigger name.

These days, even the lowest ranked med schools do not need to offer any scholarships.

Yet the top ones do. Top schools have the most funds heck I got a med school merit fellowship for one fullyear from a T5 back in 99. 1/5th of the class was selected to receive it, all fields of interest. The same school is still tops and offers many more now.