Apparently we're getting CogAT this week

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which score is the math one?

Really?

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Quantitative (which means having to do with numbers…)

OK DD got 9s/99s for all 3, and she clearly didn't get it from me!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious for others — how do percentiles for your kids line up to MAP? My 99th percentile MAP-R kid is in the mid-80’s for CoGAT. Not sure what to make of that… (math is aligned though)

Cogat and Map are different things. Cogat measures their reasoning logic skills and about how well they can think but not what they know. Map measures their knowledge.

I get that for math, but verbal seems like it should be similar? Both tests are about reading comprehension was my understanding?

The verbal test they use for the short version of CogAT is Verbal Analogies (for 3rd graders; I think 2nd graders get Picture Analogies)-- i.e. X is to Y as A is to ____.

(The other two tests work pretty much the same way, except instead of words they use numbers for quantitative and figures for nonverbal.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else’s kid get an “E” profile? My kid did fine but has a big gap between their quant/non-verbal scores and their verbal score. Reading online it seems like that indicates an issue? Trying to figure out what it means….

My daughter got an E score. I think you need a 24 point difference between two scores to get it, which is what she had. Both scores were in the 90s though so I'm not concerned about it. If one were lower I might be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What could this 3rd grader work on? He will be in CES and compacted math. I am worried what that "verbal" low score below mean? Why composite score is still in 92 percentile given really low verbal score?

MAP M winter 99 percentile, 240
MAP R winter, 87 percentile, 212

Cogat, verbal
(73 percentile, verbal, 110)
(94 percentile, quantitative, 125)
(93 percentile, nonverbal, 124)
(92 percentile, composite, 122)
Overall 8B (V-)

I’m sure your son will be fine at the CES but I’m truly surprised he qualified with a 87th percentile. Are you at a high FARMs school?

Your kid is smart but not in the top gifted (stanine of 9)

Meanwhile my stanine all-9's girl did not even get into the CES pool. We're going to Holton Arms for 4th. I tried MCPS, I tried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What could this 3rd grader work on? He will be in CES and compacted math. I am worried what that "verbal" low score below mean? Why composite score is still in 92 percentile given really low verbal score?

MAP M winter 99 percentile, 240
MAP R winter, 87 percentile, 212

Cogat, verbal
(73 percentile, verbal, 110)
(94 percentile, quantitative, 125)
(93 percentile, nonverbal, 124)
(92 percentile, composite, 122)
Overall 8B (V-)

I’m sure your son will be fine at the CES but I’m truly surprised he qualified with a 87th percentile. Are you at a high FARMs school?

Your kid is smart but not in the top gifted (stanine of 9)

Could be mid or high FARMS. Mid-FARMS is generally pretty close to the national percentiles on MAP (i e. locally normed 85th percentile is in the ballpark of 85th percentile nationally) while at high FARMS schools it's usually a good bit below 85th percentile. It's only at low FARMS schools where you have to be well above 85th.

[Anonymous]

My child get mid 90's for both map m and r. She had a composite of 81, 7a profile

[Anonymous]

My kid is finishing 2nd and has been consistently testing at 99th percentile on all the MAP testing. This is his first CogAT report, his overall percentile is 99, all the stanines are 9s, and it says his profile is 9A.

Forgive the basic question, but are there things we should be advocating for at school? As far as we can tell enrichment is a joke and he’s not being challenged. We do supplemental math for fun at home because he loves it and he’s almost through 3rd grade content. He’s our oldest and the MCPS system is new to me. I want to support him & advocate for him in order to keep him engaged and to encourage a love for learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is finishing 2nd and has been consistently testing at 99th percentile on all the MAP testing. This is his first CogAT report, his overall percentile is 99, all the stanines are 9s, and it says his profile is 9A.

Forgive the basic question, but are there things we should be advocating for at school? As far as we can tell enrichment is a joke and he’s not being challenged. We do supplemental math for fun at home because he loves it and he’s almost through 3rd grade content. He’s our oldest and the MCPS system is new to me. I want to support him & advocate for him in order to keep him engaged and to encourage a love for learning.

Nope. Not at MCPS. Join the uproar over ELC going away and no cohosted classes. But there’s nothing for 3rd. Only once they hit 4th and that’s only if they win the CES lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is finishing 2nd and has been consistently testing at 99th percentile on all the MAP testing. This is his first CogAT report, his overall percentile is 99, all the stanines are 9s, and it says his profile is 9A.

Forgive the basic question, but are there things we should be advocating for at school? As far as we can tell enrichment is a joke and he’s not being challenged. We do supplemental math for fun at home because he loves it and he’s almost through 3rd grade content. He’s our oldest and the MCPS system is new to me. I want to support him & advocate for him in order to keep him engaged and to encourage a love for learning.

There should be some new CKLA enrichment for 3rd graders during FIT time next year. Then compacted math and some additional ELA enrichment are available in 4th and 5th (or the CES magnets if he wins a lottery spot.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What could this 3rd grader work on? He will be in CES and compacted math. I am worried what that "verbal" low score below mean? Why composite score is still in 92 percentile given really low verbal score?

MAP M winter 99 percentile, 240
MAP R winter, 87 percentile, 212

Cogat, verbal
(73 percentile, verbal, 110)
(94 percentile, quantitative, 125)
(93 percentile, nonverbal, 124)
(92 percentile, composite, 122)
Overall 8B (V-)

I’m sure your son will be fine at the CES but I’m truly surprised he qualified with a 87th percentile. Are you at a high FARMs school?

Your kid is smart but not in the top gifted (stanine of 9)

Meanwhile my stanine all-9's girl did not even get into the CES pool. We're going to Holton Arms for 4th. I tried MCPS, I tried.

My 99% child didn’t even get a lottery with MAP R of 94%. I don’t have the money for private so it sucks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is finishing 2nd and has been consistently testing at 99th percentile on all the MAP testing. This is his first CogAT report, his overall percentile is 99, all the stanines are 9s, and it says his profile is 9A.

Forgive the basic question, but are there things we should be advocating for at school? As far as we can tell enrichment is a joke and he’s not being challenged. We do supplemental math for fun at home because he loves it and he’s almost through 3rd grade content. He’s our oldest and the MCPS system is new to me. I want to support him & advocate for him in order to keep him engaged and to encourage a love for learning.

Ditto for my 2nd grade daughter.

[Anonymous]

So they used the age percentile, not grade percentile for mcps gifted designation. I wonder why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So they used the age percentile, not grade percentile for mcps gifted designation. I wonder why?

Makes sense to me. Why are you questioning it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is finishing 2nd and has been consistently testing at 99th percentile on all the MAP testing. This is his first CogAT report, his overall percentile is 99, all the stanines are 9s, and it says his profile is 9A.

Forgive the basic question, but are there things we should be advocating for at school? As far as we can tell enrichment is a joke and he’s not being challenged. We do supplemental math for fun at home because he loves it and he’s almost through 3rd grade content. He’s our oldest and the MCPS system is new to me. I want to support him & advocate for him in order to keep him engaged and to encourage a love for learning.

Nope. Not at MCPS. Join the uproar over ELC going away and no cohosted classes. But there’s nothing for 3rd. Only once they hit 4th and that’s only if they win the CES lottery.

In 3rd they should be offering it through FIT time.

In 4th & 5th they are supposed to offer it in the ELA block. Most schools are getting rid of cohorted classes though so it won't be as effective as ELC is now. There was a recent meeting on this from GEC with advocacy requests.

[Anonymous]

My extremely verbal, advanced reader, but average math student child scored in the 7th stanine on the verbal and 9th in the other two categories, with overall composite of 9th stanine/99 percent. Not at all what I would have predicted and I find it kind of hard to believe.

Oh well. Not sure it makes any particular difference going in to third.