Intersection of religion and politics

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Anonymous wrote:I’m always amazed how fundamentalist Christians conveniently set aside the commandment to not worship a false prophet. There is other hypocrisy but this one I find fascinating especially with OP’s reference to Sodom and Gomora. The GOP is the modern day version of S&G! It’s a drunken, guilted orgy of greed, grifting, abuse, all while embracing anti-Christian core values.

OP how can you not see that you are following the wolf in sheep’s clothing? Is your hate so strong that you have twisted your faith to follow evil? Are you so weak that you can not resist temptation?

OP here.

Trump is not a prophet. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship a prophet. All of the prophets said to repent and worship God only.

The Democratic party is the voting base of the queer, the communist, the proud slut and immoral woman who uses abortion as birth control who says the fetus is not a human, just a clump of cells in order to assuage her guilt of murder.

The American political scene is a huge circus tent with parades of freaks led by carnival barkers, “Come see the show! Vote for ME! Hope and change! MAGA!”

Some people think they can make the circus not a circus if they vote enough times, cause the Fat Lady to become thin, the Wolf Man to shave.

I look at politics and see an acre-sized swimming pool, noisy, crazy. People are screaming and throwing turds at each other. Over there in the corner is a man with a queer grin moving his hand back and forth near his crotch under the filthy water. A woman over there has a smirky grin as the water turns bright yellow where she pees, and pinkish-red as her friend menstruates in the water thinking it funny people will swim in her blood.

Some of them I cringe to look at, both Democrat and Republican.

I am told I should exercise my right to pick a side and vote. What do I do? They are all in this dirty pool screaming. Well, I should vote, so I do what everyone else does: I try to pick a side that most closely aligns with my beliefs and values, knowing the politicians in most cases represent only their own values and the values of people with millions of dollars to make their values count more than mine.

As a Fundamentalist Christian, I do not see the president as an embodiment of my values but as a means to hopefully slow down the “Slouching Towards Gomorrah” (R. Bork)

So which ones are clean? They all look dirty in that pool. Who in their right mind would want to jump into that pool? Not me! And good Lord, they have access to nuclear weapons which the Bible hints will be used one day:

”And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved. “

It sounds like you reluctantly voted for Trump, right? because you see him as the lesser of two evils. Are you happy with your choice? Sounds to me like you're trying to justify, not only your vote, but his actions since taking office, some of which horrify you, but which you still perceive as the lesser of two evils.

Thanks for the insight into some of Trump's Christian voters. I've wondered how Christians could vote for an obvious atheist like Trump.

OP here. You have it correct: I voted for what I considered the lesser of 2 evils. I would say that is what most voters do. I cannot think of a time I went to the voting booth jumping up and down believing I have finally found America’s savior. No, I hold my nose and vote like everyone else.

I am indifferent about my choice because my single vote did not decide the outcome. It is God who puts leaders in their positions and according to what the people deserve.

However, I think Trump was far more qualified to lead America than either Hillary or cackling Kamala.

I may not agree with other people’s political beliefs but I will see these people as Jesus sees them: made in the image of God and to be treated with respect and dignity, even when they call me stupid and uneducated for believing in God or voting Republican.

One of the reasons I made this post is to bring some clarity on how Christians vote. I made some errors, such as putting Masorti Jews as Republican because they say Conservative which I equate with Republican. I should have said Orthodox, not Masorti. I did not know the Jews have so many factions within their religion.

I learned some things making this post, which is good. The saying comes true for me: the more I learn the more I see how little I know.

You should know that many people do not go to the polls voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, you can't know that that is factual. I'd say the opposite, but I don't know what's in people's minds either. It certainly seems like a cop-out to think that God decides everything. In fact, it makes your presidential vote seem irrelevant. It seems like you use your religion as an excuse for not being totally in control. Meanwhile, I accept personal responsibility for not being totally in control and also did when I was religious.

Shame on you and your false humility for using religion and God in this way.

You are something else. I am glad I do not have to interact with someone like you often.
It is because of people like you I avoid going anywhere near a Democrat rally. The hate is like a cloud of evil.

he removeth kings, and setteth up kings—Daniel 2:21

God is ultimately in charge of things.

Certainly, I am aware some people vote enthusiastically for
a candidate, believing their vote is do-or-die. My vote, as yours, is largely irrelevant. I am not responsible for who wins elections any more than I am responsible for who wins a ball game: I am not on the field playing or coaching. I am not even the Water Boy.

I am responsible for my own actions. Sure, my action of voting can indirectly nudge the country my way, just as perhaps cheering in the stadium might give a small morale boost for the home team to give that extra bit to win the game.

You seem to think that my vote is a religious expression. In some ways it is: I think abortion and homosexuality are evils that should be stood up against. The Republican party is the only party doing that so they get my vote even if the presidential candidate is flawed (they all are).

If you live your life through the roller-coaster of elections, you are going to become emotionally unbalanced with few friends: “Oh dear, the Republicans did something, here comes an avalanche of shrieking and finger-jabbing at anyone who might be responsible. Quick, let’s hide. “

I'm glad that not all religious people are like you,

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Anonymous wrote:I’m always amazed how fundamentalist Christians conveniently set aside the commandment to not worship a false prophet. There is other hypocrisy but this one I find fascinating especially with OP’s reference to Sodom and Gomora. The GOP is the modern day version of S&G! It’s a drunken, guilted orgy of greed, grifting, abuse, all while embracing anti-Christian core values.

OP how can you not see that you are following the wolf in sheep’s clothing? Is your hate so strong that you have twisted your faith to follow evil? Are you so weak that you can not resist temptation?

OP here.

Trump is not a prophet. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship a prophet. All of the prophets said to repent and worship God only.

The Democratic party is the voting base of the queer, the communist, the proud slut and immoral woman who uses abortion as birth control who says the fetus is not a human, just a clump of cells in order to assuage her guilt of murder.

The American political scene is a huge circus tent with parades of freaks led by carnival barkers, “Come see the show! Vote for ME! Hope and change! MAGA!”

Some people think they can make the circus not a circus if they vote enough times, cause the Fat Lady to become thin, the Wolf Man to shave.

I look at politics and see an acre-sized swimming pool, noisy, crazy. People are screaming and throwing turds at each other. Over there in the corner is a man with a queer grin moving his hand back and forth near his crotch under the filthy water. A woman over there has a smirky grin as the water turns bright yellow where she pees, and pinkish-red as her friend menstruates in the water thinking it funny people will swim in her blood.

Some of them I cringe to look at, both Democrat and Republican.

I am told I should exercise my right to pick a side and vote. What do I do? They are all in this dirty pool screaming. Well, I should vote, so I do what everyone else does: I try to pick a side that most closely aligns with my beliefs and values, knowing the politicians in most cases represent only their own values and the values of people with millions of dollars to make their values count more than mine.

As a Fundamentalist Christian, I do not see the president as an embodiment of my values but as a means to hopefully slow down the “Slouching Towards Gomorrah” (R. Bork)

So which ones are clean? They all look dirty in that pool. Who in their right mind would want to jump into that pool? Not me! And good Lord, they have access to nuclear weapons which the Bible hints will be used one day:

”And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved. “

It sounds like you reluctantly voted for Trump, right? because you see him as the lesser of two evils. Are you happy with your choice? Sounds to me like you're trying to justify, not only your vote, but his actions since taking office, some of which horrify you, but which you still perceive as the lesser of two evils.

Thanks for the insight into some of Trump's Christian voters. I've wondered how Christians could vote for an obvious atheist like Trump.

OP here. You have it correct: I voted for what I considered the lesser of 2 evils. I would say that is what most voters do. I cannot think of a time I went to the voting booth jumping up and down believing I have finally found America’s savior. No, I hold my nose and vote like everyone else.

I am indifferent about my choice because my single vote did not decide the outcome. It is God who puts leaders in their positions and according to what the people deserve.

However, I think Trump was far more qualified to lead America than either Hillary or cackling Kamala.

I may not agree with other people’s political beliefs but I will see these people as Jesus sees them: made in the image of God and to be treated with respect and dignity, even when they call me stupid and uneducated for believing in God or voting Republican.

One of the reasons I made this post is to bring some clarity on how Christians vote. I made some errors, such as putting Masorti Jews as Republican because they say Conservative which I equate with Republican. I should have said Orthodox, not Masorti. I did not know the Jews have so many factions within their religion.

I learned some things making this post, which is good. The saying comes true for me: the more I learn the more I see how little I know.

You should know that many people do not go to the polls voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, you can't know that that is factual. I'd say the opposite, but I don't know what's in people's minds either. It certainly seems like a cop-out to think that God decides everything. In fact, it makes your presidential vote seem irrelevant. It seems like you use your religion as an excuse for not being totally in control. Meanwhile, I accept personal responsibility for not being totally in control and also did when I was religious.

Shame on you and your false humility for using religion and God in this way.

You are something else. I am glad I do not have to interact with someone like you often.
It is because of people like you I avoid going anywhere near a Democrat rally. The hate is like a cloud of evil.

he removeth kings, and setteth up kings—Daniel 2:21

God is ultimately in charge of things.

Certainly, I am aware some people vote enthusiastically for
a candidate, believing their vote is do-or-die. My vote, as yours, is largely irrelevant. I am not responsible for who wins elections any more than I am responsible for who wins a ball game: I am not on the field playing or coaching. I am not even the Water Boy.

I am responsible for my own actions. Sure, my action of voting can indirectly nudge the country my way, just as perhaps cheering in the stadium might give a small morale boost for the home team to give that extra bit to win the game.

You seem to think that my vote is a religious expression. In some ways it is: I think abortion and homosexuality are evils that should be stood up against. The Republican party is the only party doing that so they get my vote even if the presidential candidate is flawed (they all are).

If you live your life through the roller-coaster of elections, you are going to become emotionally unbalanced with few friends: “Oh dear, the Republicans did something, here comes an avalanche of shrieking and finger-jabbing at anyone who might be responsible. Quick, let’s hide. “

I'm glad that not all religious people are like you,

We don't live under kings anymore, which is also inconvenient for you since monarchies can't really exist without religion - the whole royal bloodline being anointed by a made up being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- I am a religious person who also follows the teachings of Jesus. However, I have come to a different decision regarding who earns my vote. I like the candidates that vote for programs that help the poor and vulnerable and I do not vote for candidates who want to cut or eliminate those programs.

Programs like Head Start, W.IC., and Pell Grants, are good programs that help. I also vote for candidates that want to preserve our environment. I look for candidates who are kind and not vindictive. I look for candidates that live good moral lives. They do not have to be perfect.

Peter 4:8

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

As an atheist, I’m so glad that there are Christians like you in the world. If only all humans felt like you do-religious or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is unbelievable to me, in this day and age, that people believe there is a god in any way involved in our lives. Just totally unfathomable. Not to mention, the god most of these people worship, looked at objectively, is a monster if this is what he is "in charge of"

Also, do people really use those types of bible quotes and think they mean only what THEY have interpreted them to mean? Quite a stretch, and goes as evidence for the fact that people indoctrinated into a religion like this have lost the ability to use their prefrontal cortexes.

Unfortunately, there have always been people like this and there probably always will be. There are also good people who believe in God and good people who do not. The bad people use their religion as an excuse to do harm and the good people use their religion to do good. There are good and bad atheists, as well, with Trump as an example of a bad atheist.

As the scientist Stephen Weinberg said: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion”.
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[Anonymous]

Speaking of the intersection of religion and politics...

It would be great if people would stop pretending that attacking Jews is politically motivated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of the intersection of religion and politics...

It would be great if people would stop pretending that attacking Jews is politically motivated.

What do you think people are pretending about? (and please consider that you might be wrong).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From my observation, here is how it seems various religious people in America vote. By no means is this applicable to every person, only generally, and some can be in more than one category. I am sure on the internet somewhere, someone has done a more thorough analysis.

Republicans
Believe abortion and homosexuality are sinful and immoral. Support tradtional family values. Humans are not causing Climate Change. Humans did not evolve from lower primates but were created by God, both male and female (because you cannot have a male evolve then a million years later a female--no mating could occur). Trans-women are not women; trans-men are not men.

By the way, this is why I vote Republican, even if the presidential candidate is severely flawed. I vote for the party platform as a whole, not for individuals per se, because the party will place judges and leaders who will follow this platform moreso than Democrats who are (in my eyes) the party of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Fundamentalist Christians

Born-again, bible-believing, true believers. The bible is the ultimate authority on faith, morals, and human origins. Many do not want to see a union of church and state given the example of Islamic states, and the Medieval Catholic church which murdered millions of fundamentalist Christians through its political apparatus.

When religion becomes a criteria for office, you get ambitious, egotists using religion as a cloak to get elected rather than God-fearing, righteous individuals.

Some examples: Ken Ham, Voddie Baucham, Gino Jennings, John MacArthur

Evangelical Christians

Similar to Fundamentalists but want the government to back their religion as a weapon against political enemies and unbelievers. They are often ignorant of history and generally ignorant concerning the bible, followers more of church leaders than Jesus Christ.

They are usually good people who mean well, salt-o'-the-earth types, but their zeal is misplaced, operationg from the flesh instead of the spirit of God in many cases.

Main examples: Jerry Falwell, T.D. Jakes, Paula White, Joel Osteen.

Mormons

Almost identical to Evangelicals except their Jesus is the brother of Satan, and Joseph Smith's bible their holy text. Mormons are honest, hard-working people but don't see that they have fallen for "another gospel", cannot see the religous fraud Joseph Smith perpretrated. The only reason Joseph Smith wrote his book in King James English (not his native language) is so that people would equate his book with the Bible so as to better perpretrate his fraudulent religion, the goal of which was to indulge his fantasy of having multiple wives.

Evangelical Catholics

Similar to Evangelicals and some Fundamentalists but Catholic Tradition and its Catechism is given more weight than scripture. The Pope is ruler of the universe. They attend Mass regularly.

Some examples: Bishop Sheen, Bishop Sarah, Fr. Burbidge, the Bishop of Arlington.

Conservative or Masorti Jews

Similar to Fundamentalist Christians but exclude Jesus and the New Testament.

22% of Jews voted for Trump.

Some examples: Rabbi Zecharias Frankel, Rabbi J.B. Sacks

Democrats

Believe abortion and homosexuality are normal and acceptable, not sinful. Morality is relative, and values should evolve relative to our modern times.
Humans are causing Climate Change and if we do not do something soon, a catastrophe will occur. Humans evolved over millions of years from the lower primates according to Science, which in all cases is to be believed over the Bible. Trans-women are women; trans-men are men.

Atheists, Agnostics

Included here becasue they are religous-like in their belief that there is no evidence for God, and they vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

Main examples: Peter Hitchins, Carl Sagan, P.Z. Myers

Rainbow Flag churches

The Bible is just a bunch of metaphors and myths, not the word of God. If you feel you are a good person then you are good; God will bring you to heaven because your intentions are what counts, not your belief in Jesus or obeying commandments. The only sin is not being tolerant of others, unless they are Fundamentalist Christians then it is okay to discriminate and exclude them from all areas of public life.

Main examples: Paul Abels, John Neil Alexander, Eva Brunne

Liberal/Progressive Catholics

Also called "Cafeteria Catholics" or Catholic-In-Name-Only (CINO). Similar to the Rainbow Flag churces but remain Catholic usually for family reasons. They hope one day to overthrow its traditons of male-only priests and restrictions on abortion, homosexuality, and birth control. They rarely attend mass except for weddings, funerals, Christmas, and Easter. They identify more with Agnostics than Fundamentalist Christians.

Main Examples: Joe Biden, Pope Francis

Secular Jews

Summarized: very much like Cafeteria Catholics. Mammon is their true God. These Jews can best be described as, "Atheists fanatically loyal to a religious family tradition." They are found to be the movers and shakers of Marxism.

78% of Jews voted for Kamala Harris.

Examples: Ahad Ha'am, Bernie Sanders


Well, that is how I see it. I am no theologian, not saying this is 100% accurate (especially concerning Catholics and Jews) and again, not saying it applies to everyone.

For the record, I am a Fundamentalist Christian. I vote Republican in presidential elections but I do not vote in every local election that comes around. I see a presidential election like the Super Bowl: I pull for a team and if they win, "Yay!" but if they lose "Aw shucks, maybe next time." God gives people the leader they deserve.

Only fundamentalists think abortion and trans people are major topics. No discussion about how we spend our money in America, disaster help, jobs help, allies, wars, taxes, children, retirement.

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christians are often republican

demiocrats are often atheist.

I do not think the correlations end there. I believe it's anatomical - part of organic brain makeup, that the correlations go beyond political affiliation and religion but also to personality, and someday, it will be easily identified on diagnostic imaging by radiology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:christians are often republican

demiocrats are often atheist.

I do not think the correlations end there. I believe it's anatomical - part of organic brain makeup, that the correlations go beyond political affiliation and religion but also to personality, and someday, it will be easily identified on diagnostic imaging by radiology.

There certainly could be a large empty area in believers' brains.

[Anonymous]

Democrats are the party of sinners.

Republicans are the party of sins.

I know which one Jesus Christ loves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So.much.stupid.

JFC.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

Wow, how utterly stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats are the party of sinners.

Republicans are the party of sins.

I know which one Jesus Christ loves.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God—Romans 3:23

The majority of people who celebrate perversion marching in shameful parades and have perverts read to children in public libraries, hoping to influence children, corrupting their minds that perversion is normal, acceptable behavior, are overwhelmingly Democrats.

Republicans and Christians have pushed back successfully, slapping the hand saying, as if to a stupid child, “No, no Democrat, we do not do these immoral, ugly things. And we do not murder our unborn children in the womb. “

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats are the party of sinners.

Republicans are the party of sins.

I know which one Jesus Christ loves.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God—Romans 3:23

The majority of people who celebrate perversion marching in shameful parades and have perverts read to children in public libraries, hoping to influence children, corrupting their minds that perversion is normal, acceptable behavior, are overwhelmingly Democrats.

Republicans and Christians have pushed back successfully, slapping the hand saying, as if to a stupid child, “No, no Democrat, we do not do these immoral, ugly things. And we do not murder our unborn children in the womb. “

NO, we (Christians) elect an atheist to be president because he hates the right people.

[Anonymous]

Trump isn’t an atheist.