Prestige + Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:Where does it rank? Not HYPSM obviously but I'd put it with the next level (Columbia, Penn, Brown, Duke). The 12% acceptance rate seems generous but predictions are it will go into low single digits next year with the Common App.

It’s in the same tier as Notre Dame, Boston College, and Holy Cross. Good Catholic schools with strong reputations among the non-Catholic community in the United States. Villanova would be a tier above all four schools given their basketball program and pipeline into the Vatican.

This is…a ridiculous take.

Exactly. Notre Dame is a tier above Georgetown. You’re comparing a school with an $18 billion endowment with one with less than $4 billion.

Unless one is a football fan or has issues with Jesuits, there aren't too many who would choose ND over Georgetown if interested in liberal arts, interntional/domestic politics etc.

Laughable comment. The two schools are direct competitors for students and both schools are filled with kids who also got into the other.

As a non-Catholic, I'd say that when I hear Notre Dame, I think Catholic. When I hear Georgetown, I think of DC.
My point being that ND is more closely-aligned with the Catholic church. I would bet that that there are few non-Catholics at ND while there are plenty of non-Catholics at Georgetown. I think this affects the perception of the schools - one being religious, the other not.

Same here. A lot of people - maybe most Americans - don't consider Georgetown to be a school that attracts Catholics. It is Jesuit, the way that BC, LMU, Santa Clara and USF are Jesuit. So, it doesn't turn off a lot of non-Catholics the way that ND might. My DH went to Georgetown and his group of college friends includes a few Jewish folks, a couple of WASPs and one Catholic and the latter is not a practicing Catholic.

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“Don’t buy argument that Georgetown was late to funding its endowment.”

You can choose not to “buy” that argument, but it is a fact.

It was not until Tim Healy became university president in the 1970’s through 80’s when real effort was placed into growing the endowment, among other important initiatives. He is considered the second founder of the university for what he was able to accomplish during his storied tenure.

For being so late in the game that rewards investment over time, it is rather amazing how quickly it has leapfrogged so many institutions with regards to its resources and offerings. It is very hard to catch up in the game of wealth accrual. But Georgetown has certainly made great inroads.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does it rank? Not HYPSM obviously but I'd put it with the next level (Columbia, Penn, Brown, Duke). The 12% acceptance rate seems generous but predictions are it will go into low single digits next year with the Common App.

It’s in the same tier as Notre Dame, Boston College, and Holy Cross. Good Catholic schools with strong reputations among the non-Catholic community in the United States. Villanova would be a tier above all four schools given their basketball program and pipeline into the Vatican.

This is…a ridiculous take.

Exactly. Notre Dame is a tier above Georgetown. You’re comparing a school with an $18 billion endowment with one with less than $4 billion.

Unless one is a football fan or has issues with Jesuits, there aren't too many who would choose ND over Georgetown if interested in liberal arts, interntional/domestic politics etc.

Laughable comment. The two schools are direct competitors for students and both schools are filled with kids who also got into the other.

As a non-Catholic, I'd say that when I hear Notre Dame, I think Catholic. When I hear Georgetown, I think of DC.
My point being that ND is more closely-aligned with the Catholic church. I would bet that that there are few non-Catholics at ND while there are plenty of non-Catholics at Georgetown. I think this affects the perception of the schools - one being religious, the other not.

Same here. A lot of people - maybe most Americans - don't consider Georgetown to be a school that attracts Catholics. It is Jesuit, the way that BC, LMU, Santa Clara and USF are Jesuit. So, it doesn't turn off a lot of non-Catholics the way that ND might. My DH went to Georgetown and his group of college friends includes a few Jewish folks, a couple of WASPs and one Catholic and the latter is not a practicing Catholic.

Agree with this. When I think of ND, I think very niche Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does it rank? Not HYPSM obviously but I'd put it with the next level (Columbia, Penn, Brown, Duke). The 12% acceptance rate seems generous but predictions are it will go into low single digits next year with the Common App.

It’s in the same tier as Notre Dame, Boston College, and Holy Cross. Good Catholic schools with strong reputations among the non-Catholic community in the United States. Villanova would be a tier above all four schools given their basketball program and pipeline into the Vatican.

This is…a ridiculous take.

Exactly. Notre Dame is a tier above Georgetown. You’re comparing a school with an $18 billion endowment with one with less than $4 billion.

Unless one is a football fan or has issues with Jesuits, there aren't too many who would choose ND over Georgetown if interested in liberal arts, interntional/domestic politics etc.

Laughable comment. The two schools are direct competitors for students and both schools are filled with kids who also got into the other.

As a non-Catholic, I'd say that when I hear Notre Dame, I think Catholic. When I hear Georgetown, I think of DC.
My point being that ND is more closely-aligned with the Catholic church. I would bet that that there are few non-Catholics at ND while there are plenty of non-Catholics at Georgetown. I think this affects the perception of the schools - one being religious, the other not.

Same here. A lot of people - maybe most Americans - don't consider Georgetown to be a school that attracts Catholics. It is Jesuit, the way that BC, LMU, Santa Clara and USF are Jesuit. So, it doesn't turn off a lot of non-Catholics the way that ND might. My DH went to Georgetown and his group of college friends includes a few Jewish folks, a couple of WASPs and one Catholic and the latter is not a practicing Catholic.

Agree with this. When I think of ND, I think very niche Catholic.

Notre Dame is about 80% Catholic; Georgetown is about 50%.

That said, about 20% of the US population is Catholic -- more in certain geographies -- so how niche could it be?

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Notre Dame significantly better than Georgetown especially for business ND alumni are rabid only Catholic school with more engaged alumni network maybe Holy Cross but Georgetown is not a destination for kids who want to watch sports. Georgetown has mismanaged its basketball program for decades. The Notre Dame campus is beautiful and like a small town one could not say the same about Georgetown nice area but not much of a campus. Totally different vibes can’t see kids agonizing over which one ND vs Georgetown.

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The U.S. has a much higher Catholic population including lapsed/casual Catholics and millions of undocumented/illegal immigrants. That 20% number is probably from Pew Foundation which polled only adults . Catholics have larger families.

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Um, what's with ND vs GU? OP didn't ask for a comparison between the two.

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Georgetown endowment listed at $3.6 billion as of 2024 like its campus minuscule compared to ND and other top 25 privates.

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And yet it is consistently considered the tops in disciplines such as foreign policy/IR/government and highly regarded in law, business, linguistics, public policy, life sciences, classics, philosophy, and medicine.

So perhaps, they just know how to manage their resources.

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The fact is, those who know, know. Those who get caught up in prestige--especially comparing to Notre Dame and Holy Cross--just don't get it. It is a special kind of university--very different from ND--that attracts intellectual, hard-working, earnest (well, except MSB--those kids are smart, but strivers), caring students who are into the whole vibe. There really isn't another university like it.

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^Keep repeating that.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame significantly better than Georgetown especially for business ND alumni are rabid only Catholic school with more engaged alumni network maybe Holy Cross but Georgetown is not a destination for kids who want to watch sports. Georgetown has mismanaged its basketball program for decades. The Notre Dame campus is beautiful and like a small town one could not say the same about Georgetown nice area but not much of a campus. Totally different vibes can’t see kids agonizing over which one ND vs Georgetown.

This proves no one on DCUM knows what they are talking about. Georgetown is top 5 placement for both IB and MBB. Notre Dame is Emory/ UVa level placements.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame significantly better than Georgetown especially for business ND alumni are rabid only Catholic school with more engaged alumni network maybe Holy Cross but Georgetown is not a destination for kids who want to watch sports. Georgetown has mismanaged its basketball program for decades. The Notre Dame campus is beautiful and like a small town one could not say the same about Georgetown nice area but not much of a campus. Totally different vibes can’t see kids agonizing over which one ND vs Georgetown.

This proves no one on DCUM knows what they are talking about. Georgetown is top 5 placement for both IB and MBB. Notre Dame is Emory/ UVa level placements.

Agree that Georgetown does have better placement for IB and MBB. Not sure the giant sucking sound to Wall Street and McKinsey is a plus, but you do you!

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Anonymous wrote:And yet it is consistently considered the tops in disciplines such as foreign policy/IR/government and highly regarded in law, business, linguistics, public policy, life sciences, classics, philosophy, and medicine.

So perhaps, they just know how to manage their resources.

+1. Their operating revenues are essentially the same as ND’s (actually slightly higher). What they miss on endowment distributions they make up for in graduate student tuition and fees.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet it is consistently considered the tops in disciplines such as foreign policy/IR/government and highly regarded in law, business, linguistics, public policy, life sciences, classics, philosophy, and medicine.

So perhaps, they just know how to manage their resources.

+1. Their operating revenues are essentially the same as ND’s (actually slightly higher). What they miss on endowment distributions they make up for in graduate student tuition and fees.

Georgetown University Law Center (GULC) is by far the most massive law school in the country, with over six hundred students per class. Compare this to Yale, Stanford, UChicago, and Notre Dame, which only have 180 per class.

It's actually a bit of a running joke in the legal industry that the law schools at Harvard, NYU, and Georgetown are somewhat akin to diploma mills, mass producing lawyers in an already over-saturated legal industry. Although I get paying sticker price for Harvard or NYU law because the legal industry is infamously elitist. But paying sticker for Georgetown Law over scholarship at Notre Dame? Kind of nuts considering that Georgetown and Notre Dame have similar Big Law placements, and Notre Dame has produced more SCOTUS judges than Georgetown. Notre Dame Law also has produced much stronger federal clerkship numbers than Georgetown.