Research Paper

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Anonymous wrote:My High school child mentioned that colleges are now looking for research papers for admissions. If anyone here can please explain the process, as we are not familiar with it, thank you for your help.

My DC submitted one that was published. she participated in in the research and the head researcher put her in the byline for her contribution. The instructions from the institution had indicated what type of materials they would consider for submission and published research was on that list.

HS kids now routinely head research and publish papers? That’s cool and a lot of work. No wonder they’re stressed!!

And then they get to college and away from their parents, and never publish another paper and never file for another patent ever again.

My kid did paid research summer after 11th, paid and published after 12th, and less than a month into freshman year, found another research position and is doing it again.

Don’t generalize.

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Anonymous wrote:Fpr 99% of the time - the Student Published Research Paper is a scam; either a made up journal no one cares about or a family connection to a professor.

A proper research paper takes a person with a PHD months if not years of work, blind reviewed by three other researchers, and submitted months before being published. It's not a weekend write-up.

There are intro books that are written by teens that are legit, they are things like how to create a website; it's basic and legit. This is what I expect from a teen.

What next? Colleges are expecting a book on the best seller list?

If your kid can do all this? why are they going to college?

Okay, put aside whether or not the research work is ever published or not.

Many high schools have science research programs for students that are interested in science research. At our high school, it starts freshman year of high school and progresses through senior year.

The students build up their knowledge and skills and then normally during the summer after Junior year, they work with a mentor on a research project. Senior fall includes finalizing the data analysis and completing the research paper under the guidance of the science research instructor. This program is aimed at learning about science research and then making a submission to science competitions like Isef and regeneron and others.

It's possible that this work could be submitted to certain colleges to support an application if it's a university that considers such submissions. Some do.

It's certainly not for everyone but for students that are interested in science research it's a great program.

This is totally different from publishing a paper at a international journal which I'm claiming is a scam except for a select few. What you described is completely legit and you should enter this also in the Science Fair or Science Olympiad for further recognition; the Science Fairs were built for this but now they have also become a scam. Google the winning science fair titles you'll see it's a rip-off of a land-mark research paper of that same year. I can't believe kids have to fake it to make it now. And then what? the next generation of Cons rule the world?

Can you name the ISEF winning study and the landmark study it copied?

https://brokenscience.org/scandal-at-americas-top-science-fair/

This kid got caught because he just pushed it a bit too far; google the titles of the other winning projects for some reason they let them go.

SCAM! SCAM! SCAM! honest kids suffer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fpr 99% of the time - the Student Published Research Paper is a scam; either a made up journal no one cares about or a family connection to a professor.

A proper research paper takes a person with a PHD months if not years of work, blind reviewed by three other researchers, and submitted months before being published. It's not a weekend write-up.

There are intro books that are written by teens that are legit, they are things like how to create a website; it's basic and legit. This is what I expect from a teen.

What next? Colleges are expecting a book on the best seller list?

If your kid can do all this? why are they going to college?

Okay, put aside whether or not the research work is ever published or not.

Many high schools have science research programs for students that are interested in science research. At our high school, it starts freshman year of high school and progresses through senior year.

The students build up their knowledge and skills and then normally during the summer after Junior year, they work with a mentor on a research project. Senior fall includes finalizing the data analysis and completing the research paper under the guidance of the science research instructor. This program is aimed at learning about science research and then making a submission to science competitions like Isef and regeneron and others.

It's possible that this work could be submitted to certain colleges to support an application if it's a university that considers such submissions. Some do.

It's certainly not for everyone but for students that are interested in science research it's a great program.

This is totally different from publishing a paper at a international journal which I'm claiming is a scam except for a select few. What you described is completely legit and you should enter this also in the Science Fair or Science Olympiad for further recognition; the Science Fairs were built for this but now they have also become a scam. Google the winning science fair titles you'll see it's a rip-off of a land-mark research paper of that same year. I can't believe kids have to fake it to make it now. And then what? the next generation of Cons rule the world?

Can you name the ISEF winning study and the landmark study it copied?

https://brokenscience.org/scandal-at-americas-top-science-fair/

This kid got caught because he just pushed it a bit too far; google the titles of the other winning projects for some reason they let them go.

SCAM! SCAM! SCAM! honest kids suffer.

They withdrew the award and publicly wrote about it. Why are you saying he got away with cheating? He did not and he was not.

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He was not given the prize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fpr 99% of the time - the Student Published Research Paper is a scam; either a made up journal no one cares about or a family connection to a professor.

A proper research paper takes a person with a PHD months if not years of work, blind reviewed by three other researchers, and submitted months before being published. It's not a weekend write-up.

There are intro books that are written by teens that are legit, they are things like how to create a website; it's basic and legit. This is what I expect from a teen.

What next? Colleges are expecting a book on the best seller list?

If your kid can do all this? why are they going to college?

Okay, put aside whether or not the research work is ever published or not.

Many high schools have science research programs for students that are interested in science research. At our high school, it starts freshman year of high school and progresses through senior year.

The students build up their knowledge and skills and then normally during the summer after Junior year, they work with a mentor on a research project. Senior fall includes finalizing the data analysis and completing the research paper under the guidance of the science research instructor. This program is aimed at learning about science research and then making a submission to science competitions like Isef and regeneron and others.

It's possible that this work could be submitted to certain colleges to support an application if it's a university that considers such submissions. Some do.

It's certainly not for everyone but for students that are interested in science research it's a great program.

This is totally different from publishing a paper at a international journal which I'm claiming is a scam except for a select few. What you described is completely legit and you should enter this also in the Science Fair or Science Olympiad for further recognition; the Science Fairs were built for this but now they have also become a scam. Google the winning science fair titles you'll see it's a rip-off of a land-mark research paper of that same year. I can't believe kids have to fake it to make it now. And then what? the next generation of Cons rule the world?

Can you name the ISEF winning study and the landmark study it copied?

https://brokenscience.org/scandal-at-americas-top-science-fair/

This kid got caught because he just pushed it a bit too far; google the titles of the other winning projects for some reason they let them go.

SCAM! SCAM! SCAM! honest kids suffer.

They withdrew the award and publicly wrote about it. Why are you saying he got away with cheating? He did not and he was not.

Please read carefully; I said he got caught as an example of a blatant cheat.

I then said others did not get caught but they should've been. I don't know why they didn't go after them - their titles were blatant as his.

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Because this kid cheated on his science project, no one should ever do a science project? That makes no sense.

Kids cheat on tests. Cheat on papers. I think one kid famously bribed a rowing coach and pretended to be a recruitable rower to get into college. That certainly does not mean most students cheat on tests and papers and on their athletic accomplishments etc. and obviously some of the cheaters get caught because we all and read about them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because this kid cheated on his science project, no one should ever do a science project? That makes no sense.

Kids cheat on tests. Cheat on papers. I think one kid famously bribed a rowing coach and pretended to be a recruitable rower to get into college. That certainly does not mean most students cheat on tests and papers and on their athletic accomplishments etc. and obviously some of the cheaters get caught because we all and read about them

Not saying that - I'm saying the pressure is pushing kids to cheat to outrageous levels. Why is that controversial?

That rower kid is the daughter of that woman from Full House - no one checked creds then but they do now.

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Anonymous wrote:Because this kid cheated on his science project, no one should ever do a science project? That makes no sense.

Kids cheat on tests. Cheat on papers. I think one kid famously bribed a rowing coach and pretended to be a recruitable rower to get into college. That certainly does not mean most students cheat on tests and papers and on their athletic accomplishments etc. and obviously some of the cheaters get caught because we all and read about them

Not saying that - I'm saying the pressure is pushing kids to cheat to outrageous levels. Why is that controversial?

That rower kid is the daughter of that woman from Full House - no one checked creds then but they do now.

we can agree to disagree. I was involved in this process for years with more than one child. They had some success with it so I saw some top projects at some top events. For the most part, I met some really smart, hard-working young students. No doubt there are attempts of cheating here and there, but I see no reason to assume it's widespread.

I did see that some students have an innate advantage if they have parents or family members that are scientific researchers and taught them how to do research or gave them access to research equipment. But you are allowed to teach your child skills that you possess whether it's science, research or golf. I think it would be better to try to give more young people access to learning about science research rather than tear it down for everyone

[Anonymous]

I am a professor, and I think research internships can be a good way for very driven and motivated students to get a taste of what a research career might be like. They can also gain some valuable skills and if they are especially responsible and capable they can contribute in a minor way by carrying out data analyses or helping to run experiments. However, it is very exceedingly rare that a teenager is actually a primary author. When students are authors, they are only a minor contributor, and this means they were responsible and smart and hardworking, and also they were lucky enough to have had some sort of connection. So it is very silly for any admissions office to expect students to do research (since not all talented high schoolers have access or connections), and even sillier for them to expect publications. Many undergraduate students at top universities do not publish during their time in college. The fact that parents and high school students believe publications are necessary just shows how out-of-hand the hype and hysteria has gotten and this makes them vulnerable to predatory pay-to-play programs. Please do not fall for this and please stop supporting shady and dishonest pay-to-play publications.

[Anonymous]

When I was in HS I did research for a legislator who was interested in possibly changing a law so he wanted to know what every state’s law was, what happened when it was being passed (for/against, litigation related to the statute, etc.).

Do you think this work was not research? Was it not helpful even though I was in HS? Oh, and it was all by book and microfilm -

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Also, OP, please clarify where your child heard that colleges are looking for research papers. I'll bet it was either from an ad for a pay-to-play service or an expensive college admissions company looking to profit from anxious parents and children. I highly doubt they heard this from an actual admissions officer.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was in HS I did research for a legislator who was interested in possibly changing a law so he wanted to know what every state’s law was, what happened when it was being passed (for/against, litigation related to the statute, etc.).

Do you think this work was not research? Was it not helpful even though I was in HS? Oh, and it was all by book and microfilm -

This seems like reasonable work for a high school intern. But I had the impression OP had in mind a first author paper in some research publication.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a professor, and I think research internships can be a good way for very driven and motivated students to get a taste of what a research career might be like. They can also gain some valuable skills and if they are especially responsible and capable they can contribute in a minor way by carrying out data analyses or helping to run experiments. However, it is very exceedingly rare that a teenager is actually a primary author. When students are authors, they are only a minor contributor, and this means they were responsible and smart and hardworking, and also they were lucky enough to have had some sort of connection. So it is very silly for any admissions office to expect students to do research (since not all talented high schoolers have access or connections), and even sillier for them to expect publications. Many undergraduate students at top universities do not publish during their time in college. The fact that parents and high school students believe publications are necessary just shows how out-of-hand the hype and hysteria has gotten and this makes them vulnerable to predatory pay-to-play programs. Please do not fall for this and please stop supporting shady and dishonest pay-to-play publications.

I don't think publication is a big part of the high school science research universe. I think there's a few here and there. maybe some scams are related to it, but there are scams related to learning to play soccer as well.

Some big science competitions don't even happen until senior Year of high school and any awards come after college applications are complete. But even without a big award , a college can be interested in the experience and opportunity and what the student has done with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a professor, and I think research internships can be a good way for very driven and motivated students to get a taste of what a research career might be like. They can also gain some valuable skills and if they are especially responsible and capable they can contribute in a minor way by carrying out data analyses or helping to run experiments. However, it is very exceedingly rare that a teenager is actually a primary author. When students are authors, they are only a minor contributor, and this means they were responsible and smart and hardworking, and also they were lucky enough to have had some sort of connection. So it is very silly for any admissions office to expect students to do research (since not all talented high schoolers have access or connections), and even sillier for them to expect publications. Many undergraduate students at top universities do not publish during their time in college. The fact that parents and high school students believe publications are necessary just shows how out-of-hand the hype and hysteria has gotten and this makes them vulnerable to predatory pay-to-play programs. Please do not fall for this and please stop supporting shady and dishonest pay-to-play publications.

All of you should capitalize on the free labor; the overseas missions that have a nice beach sure got their fill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a professor, and I think research internships can be a good way for very driven and motivated students to get a taste of what a research career might be like. They can also gain some valuable skills and if they are especially responsible and capable they can contribute in a minor way by carrying out data analyses or helping to run experiments. However, it is very exceedingly rare that a teenager is actually a primary author. When students are authors, they are only a minor contributor, and this means they were responsible and smart and hardworking, and also they were lucky enough to have had some sort of connection. So it is very silly for any admissions office to expect students to do research (since not all talented high schoolers have access or connections), and even sillier for them to expect publications. Many undergraduate students at top universities do not publish during their time in college. The fact that parents and high school students believe publications are necessary just shows how out-of-hand the hype and hysteria has gotten and this makes them vulnerable to predatory pay-to-play programs. Please do not fall for this and please stop supporting shady and dishonest pay-to-play publications.

All of you should capitalize on the free labor; the overseas missions that have a nice beach sure got their fill.

Research it and convince us. Design, experiment, collect the data, analyze it and lay it out for us. We will be happy to take a look at your hypothesis.