AI seems like a cult

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI will probably replace most of the huge population of low skills jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance.

There are no "low skill jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance". But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

The claim that such roles don't exist is not only inaccurate but also dismissive of the extensive administrative infrastructure within federal agencies. These positions often involve routine tasks such as data entry, records management, form processing, and compliance verification—functions that are fundamental to the government's operations but are increasingly being streamlined through automation.

Examples of Federal Positions:

Administrative Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides clerical and administrative support, including managing records and processing forms.

Records Clerk (GS-1421): Maintains and organizes records, ensuring compliance with federal regulations.

Compliance Analyst (GS-1800): Monitors and ensures adherence to laws and regulations by reviewing and processing compliance-related documentation.

Data Entry Clerk (GS-0322): Inputs data from forms and documents into federal databases, ensuring accuracy and compliance with data standards.
GovernmentJobs

Program Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides administrative support to programs, including processing forms and maintaining records.

Legal Administrative Assistant (GS-0901): Assists in legal matters by preparing documents, managing files, and ensuring compliance with legal procedures.

Human Resources Assistant (GS-0203): Handles personnel records, processes forms related to employment, and ensures compliance with HR policies.

Budget Analyst (GS-0560): Assists in the preparation and management of budgets, ensuring compliance with financial regulations.

Contract Specialist (GS-1102): Manages contracts, ensuring compliance with federal acquisition regulations.

Purchasing Agent (GS-1105): Procures goods and services, ensuring compliance with procurement policies.

Supply Technician (GS-2005): Manages inventory and supplies, ensuring compliance with inventory management procedures.

Transportation Assistant (GS-2130): Coordinates transportation logistics, ensuring compliance with transportation regulations.

Security Assistant (GS-0086): Assists in security operations, ensuring compliance with security protocols.

Medical Records Technician (GS-0675): Manages medical records, ensuring compliance with health information regulations.

Veterinary Medical Officer (GS-0701): Provides veterinary services, ensuring compliance with animal health regulations.

Environmental Protection Specialist (GS-0028): Monitors environmental compliance, ensuring adherence to environmental laws and regulations.

Safety and Occupational Health Specialist (GS-0018): Ensures workplace safety compliance, adhering to occupational health and safety regulations.

Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist (GS-0360): Monitors and ensures compliance with equal employment opportunity laws and regulations.

Public Affairs Specialist (GS-1035): Manages public relations, ensuring compliance with communication policies.

Information Technology Specialist (GS-2210): Manages IT systems, ensuring compliance with cybersecurity regulations.

These roles are integral to the federal government's operations, focusing on maintaining compliance, processing forms, and managing records. With advancements in AI, many of these tasks are being automated, increasing efficiency and reducing the need for human intervention in routine processes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if the Pope references Ai in one of his first public speeches, then there is a significant issue to address. If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand anything beyond the next year or so.

People who use it to write their final work product are lazy any will always be lazy and will be the first to be fired and the last to be hired.

That's not accurate. You're using AI the wrong way. My VP asked me for a 10-point recommendations report for an upcoming trip to a sibling global organization. He had been in meetings and needed it last minute, rather than earlier in the week. He was so grateful afterward and said, "Wow, your team is amazing — you can really turn things around quickly."

I used AI to pull together all of our notes and ideas to create a final report in just minutes. Then, I spent about an hour editing and refining it. The results were incredible.

But here's the thing: if you're not using AI to improve your productivity, you're going to be the first to be fired. It helps fix grammar, structure, and other basic errors that can waste time and drag down your performance. AI isn’t a crutch — it’s a tool that allows you to focus on the higher-level work, while automating the repetitive tasks that would otherwise take up your time.

Tech writers and admin assistants often ask endless questions about what exactly you want because they lack deep insight into the content they’re working on. They’re essentially following instructions without really understanding the material. AI, on the other hand, can be trained to understand your writing style, your needs, and the context. You can teach it, and it will learn what you’re trying to accomplish, and it will do exactly what you want, with much less back-and-forth. It’s like having a far more capable assistant who knows exactly what you’re thinking and doesn’t need constant guidance.

In fact, it’s such a powerful assistant that it’s likely to replace many of those roles entirely. If you're not using AI in today's world, you're falling behind. It’s not just about saving time; it’s about creating work that stands out, with efficiency and precision that traditional methods simply can’t match.

I hope you used AI to write that so that you can focus on your “higher-level work.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI will probably replace most of the huge population of low skills jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance.

There are no "low skill jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance". But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

The claim that such roles don't exist is not only inaccurate but also dismissive of the extensive administrative infrastructure within federal agencies. These positions often involve routine tasks such as data entry, records management, form processing, and compliance verification—functions that are fundamental to the government's operations but are increasingly being streamlined through automation.

Examples of Federal Positions:

Administrative Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides clerical and administrative support, including managing records and processing forms.

Records Clerk (GS-1421): Maintains and organizes records, ensuring compliance with federal regulations.

Compliance Analyst (GS-1800): Monitors and ensures adherence to laws and regulations by reviewing and processing compliance-related documentation.

Data Entry Clerk (GS-0322): Inputs data from forms and documents into federal databases, ensuring accuracy and compliance with data standards.
GovernmentJobs

Program Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides administrative support to programs, including processing forms and maintaining records.

Legal Administrative Assistant (GS-0901): Assists in legal matters by preparing documents, managing files, and ensuring compliance with legal procedures.

Human Resources Assistant (GS-0203): Handles personnel records, processes forms related to employment, and ensures compliance with HR policies.

Budget Analyst (GS-0560): Assists in the preparation and management of budgets, ensuring compliance with financial regulations.

Contract Specialist (GS-1102): Manages contracts, ensuring compliance with federal acquisition regulations.

Purchasing Agent (GS-1105): Procures goods and services, ensuring compliance with procurement policies.

Supply Technician (GS-2005): Manages inventory and supplies, ensuring compliance with inventory management procedures.

Transportation Assistant (GS-2130): Coordinates transportation logistics, ensuring compliance with transportation regulations.

Security Assistant (GS-0086): Assists in security operations, ensuring compliance with security protocols.

Medical Records Technician (GS-0675): Manages medical records, ensuring compliance with health information regulations.

Veterinary Medical Officer (GS-0701): Provides veterinary services, ensuring compliance with animal health regulations.

Environmental Protection Specialist (GS-0028): Monitors environmental compliance, ensuring adherence to environmental laws and regulations.

Safety and Occupational Health Specialist (GS-0018): Ensures workplace safety compliance, adhering to occupational health and safety regulations.

Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist (GS-0360): Monitors and ensures compliance with equal employment opportunity laws and regulations.

Public Affairs Specialist (GS-1035): Manages public relations, ensuring compliance with communication policies.

Information Technology Specialist (GS-2210): Manages IT systems, ensuring compliance with cybersecurity regulations.

These roles are integral to the federal government's operations, focusing on maintaining compliance, processing forms, and managing records. With advancements in AI, many of these tasks are being automated, increasing efficiency and reducing the need for human intervention in routine processes.

So when you read "workplace safety compliance" you think forms and not, say, physically inspecting a site? How would you automate a safety inspection of workers on a job site?

I'm super curious to hear how AI would handle "provides veterinary services" or "manages public relations," too.

BTW, some of the jobs you list aren't actually filled IRL anymore, even if the job codes still exist. They have been contracted out or eliminated already, without AI.

[Anonymous]

This was the saddest article I've seen in a long time: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/openai-chatgpt-ai-cheating-education-college-students-school.html
(Sorry no gift link, but using a paywall bypass website works fine)
College now is basically reduced to AI grading itself (both professors and students). A student mentioned she enjoyed writing and kind of wished she could have written her paper, but knew she'd get a better grade having AI do it, and the grade was more important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the people who claim it's a fad probably don't want to learn how to use it to make them more efficient and thus pretend it's a useless tool that has no applicability for anyone anywhere.

Anybody who has used these models in anything more than a cursory capacity understands why it's such a big deal and that these minor complaints that early models hallucinate or you don't like their tone are really missing the point

This is what a cult member sounds like.

I've tried using it in my job and it's totally useless. I have coworkers who use it and it is making their work product worse than useless.

NP. Lol, I recently listened to an HR podcast by a thought leader who is pretty cutting edge with computerized HR (Hebba Youssef). She raised the issue of what happens when employees use AI to draft their performance self-evaluations and managers also use AI to draft the employees' performance review. What you're ending up with is a very artificial performance conversation couched in neutralized, conventional language, basically between two bots.

I know a lot of people don't like to write these kind of documents, but theoretically the point is to have a meaningful dialogue. The time saved may indeed be saved but using AI may even be detrimental to the entire purpose of the written performance review exercise.

I find that funny to think about.

So far I see only modest uses for AI in my white collar job. I see that it can do some
work today but I think it will only augment my work.

People who can't write for $hit seem to love AI, so in that sense maybe it is helping. But I knew what they meant before they put "💄 on a 🐖 ".

I think AI writing and light data analysis will be a tool just like the Internet was when it got rolling for in-office use in 1994. The Internet hasn't put me out of a job yet, and if you took it away it would only modestly impact my productivity.

If you don't want a human in the middle of my work process, you could just stop doing it. That is a valid option. I could be afraid of that but I'd prefer to worry about climate change and nuclear war instead.

I'm sure AI could make my points above into a punchier summary but why bother...are you on DCUM to listen to real people or to grade writing stylistics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was the saddest article I've seen in a long time: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/openai-chatgpt-ai-cheating-education-college-students-school.html
(Sorry no gift link, but using a paywall bypass website works fine)
College now is basically reduced to AI grading itself (both professors and students). A student mentioned she enjoyed writing and kind of wished she could have written her paper, but knew she'd get a better grade having AI do it, and the grade was more important.

PP. My son does his own work and he's had 3 college instructors tell him his writing is superior for a freshman. His best grades are coming from these classes (A pluses). I am so proud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be eye opening- try to think of 10 jobs/professions that won’t be either entirely eliminated or significantly impacted (to the point of dramatic RIFs) in the next 10 years.

It’s harder than you think.

Any of the skilled trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpentry, fabrication, maintenance/engineering) automotive/vehicle maintenance/repair, firefighting, policing, emergency medical response, commercial fishing, oil and gas drilling….


I think most traditional white collar or professional jobs will be eliminated by AI, but jobs that require human dexterity and problem solving in endlessly dissimilar scenarios will continue to be dominated by humans.


Bad luck for lawyers, doctors and accountants. Good luck for people who turn wrenches, screwdrivers, or fix things.

[Anonymous]

If you aren't using AI, people wonder why it takes you so long to do work now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be eye opening- try to think of 10 jobs/professions that won’t be either entirely eliminated or significantly impacted (to the point of dramatic RIFs) in the next 10 years.

It’s harder than you think.

Any of the skilled trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpentry, fabrication, maintenance/engineering) automotive/vehicle maintenance/repair, firefighting, policing, emergency medical response, commercial fishing, oil and gas drilling….


I think most traditional white collar or professional jobs will be eliminated by AI, but jobs that require human dexterity and problem solving in endlessly dissimilar scenarios will continue to be dominated by humans.


Bad luck for lawyers, doctors and accountants. Good luck for people who turn wrenches, screwdrivers, or fix things.

Speaking for lawyers and doctors (myself and family members), this is laughable. Lawyers are getting sanctioned for using AI.

Smdh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the people who claim it's a fad probably don't want to learn how to use it to make them more efficient and thus pretend it's a useless tool that has no applicability for anyone anywhere.

Anybody who has used these models in anything more than a cursory capacity understands why it's such a big deal and that these minor complaints that early models hallucinate or you don't like their tone are really missing the point

+1

It’s not perfect but it’s empowering to be able to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI will probably replace most of the huge population of low skills jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance.

There are no "low skill jobs in the federal govt related to processing forms and compliance". But thanks for displaying your ignorance.

The claim that such roles don't exist is not only inaccurate but also dismissive of the extensive administrative infrastructure within federal agencies. These positions often involve routine tasks such as data entry, records management, form processing, and compliance verification—functions that are fundamental to the government's operations but are increasingly being streamlined through automation.

Examples of Federal Positions:

Administrative Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides clerical and administrative support, including managing records and processing forms.

Records Clerk (GS-1421): Maintains and organizes records, ensuring compliance with federal regulations.

Compliance Analyst (GS-1800): Monitors and ensures adherence to laws and regulations by reviewing and processing compliance-related documentation.

Data Entry Clerk (GS-0322): Inputs data from forms and documents into federal databases, ensuring accuracy and compliance with data standards.
GovernmentJobs

Program Support Assistant (GS-0303): Provides administrative support to programs, including processing forms and maintaining records.

Legal Administrative Assistant (GS-0901): Assists in legal matters by preparing documents, managing files, and ensuring compliance with legal procedures.

Human Resources Assistant (GS-0203): Handles personnel records, processes forms related to employment, and ensures compliance with HR policies.

Budget Analyst (GS-0560): Assists in the preparation and management of budgets, ensuring compliance with financial regulations.

Contract Specialist (GS-1102): Manages contracts, ensuring compliance with federal acquisition regulations.

Purchasing Agent (GS-1105): Procures goods and services, ensuring compliance with procurement policies.

Supply Technician (GS-2005): Manages inventory and supplies, ensuring compliance with inventory management procedures.

Transportation Assistant (GS-2130): Coordinates transportation logistics, ensuring compliance with transportation regulations.

Security Assistant (GS-0086): Assists in security operations, ensuring compliance with security protocols.

Medical Records Technician (GS-0675): Manages medical records, ensuring compliance with health information regulations.

Veterinary Medical Officer (GS-0701): Provides veterinary services, ensuring compliance with animal health regulations.

Environmental Protection Specialist (GS-0028): Monitors environmental compliance, ensuring adherence to environmental laws and regulations.

Safety and Occupational Health Specialist (GS-0018): Ensures workplace safety compliance, adhering to occupational health and safety regulations.

Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist (GS-0360): Monitors and ensures compliance with equal employment opportunity laws and regulations.

Public Affairs Specialist (GS-1035): Manages public relations, ensuring compliance with communication policies.

Information Technology Specialist (GS-2210): Manages IT systems, ensuring compliance with cybersecurity regulations.

These roles are integral to the federal government's operations, focusing on maintaining compliance, processing forms, and managing records. With advancements in AI, many of these tasks are being automated, increasing efficiency and reducing the need for human intervention in routine processes.

So when you read "workplace safety compliance" you think forms and not, say, physically inspecting a site? How would you automate a safety inspection of workers on a job site?

I'm super curious to hear how AI would handle "provides veterinary services" or "manages public relations," too.

BTW, some of the jobs you list aren't actually filled IRL anymore, even if the job codes still exist. They have been contracted out or eliminated already, without AI.

I have personal knowledge of the Occupational Health Specialist job. This is not a data copy/paste job.

Also to determine non-compliance from data, some person then has to develop a compliance response. E.g. actually fix the problem. Perhaps this would allow more problems to be detected and therefore more time would be spent fixing them. With brains, hands, and purchased interventions. Sometimes requiring other skilled health professionals.

[Anonymous]

I think by using AI, we're feeding a monster that will ultimately be very destructive to life as we know it - jobs, personal data, security, intelligence - I'm just not sure to what extent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be eye opening- try to think of 10 jobs/professions that won’t be either entirely eliminated or significantly impacted (to the point of dramatic RIFs) in the next 10 years.

It’s harder than you think.

Any of the skilled trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpentry, fabrication, maintenance/engineering) automotive/vehicle maintenance/repair, firefighting, policing, emergency medical response, commercial fishing, oil and gas drilling….


I think most traditional white collar or professional jobs will be eliminated by AI, but jobs that require human dexterity and problem solving in endlessly dissimilar scenarios will continue to be dominated by humans.


Bad luck for lawyers, doctors and accountants. Good luck for people who turn wrenches, screwdrivers, or fix things.

Speaking for lawyers and doctors (myself and family members), this is laughable. Lawyers are getting sanctioned for using AI.

Smdh

I was overhearing a work colleague today who was using AI to get legal advice on a small claims/insurance/built to code type matter. My impression was that the AI helped him get a better idea of how to proceed but the city might still footdrag unless he gets a live human lawyer to call them. So maybe the lawyer would lose an hour of consult but would still get retained.

If the person got good or bad advice from AI doesn't really matter too much...it gives him positional confidence to argue for what he wants and maybe to make a better explanation to a lawyer or the city regarding what he thinks he should get.

Obviously we're not talking big cases here. This is kind of the equivalent of Googling for relevant legal advice. Which was already happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be eye opening- try to think of 10 jobs/professions that won’t be either entirely eliminated or significantly impacted (to the point of dramatic RIFs) in the next 10 years.

It’s harder than you think.

Any of the skilled trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpentry, fabrication, maintenance/engineering) automotive/vehicle maintenance/repair, firefighting, policing, emergency medical response, commercial fishing, oil and gas drilling….


I think most traditional white collar or professional jobs will be eliminated by AI, but jobs that require human dexterity and problem solving in endlessly dissimilar scenarios will continue to be dominated by humans.


Bad luck for lawyers, doctors and accountants. Good luck for people who turn wrenches, screwdrivers, or fix things.

Speaking for lawyers and doctors (myself and family members), this is laughable. Lawyers are getting sanctioned for using AI.

Smdh

Most of the younger attorneys I’ve known have spent half their first decade in some room toiling away on doc review. When AI takes over doc review, there will be vastly fewer attorneys needed. Fewer younger attorneys in the near future means fewer older attorneys in the longer-term future.


No point in getting upset. Y’all had a good run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be eye opening- try to think of 10 jobs/professions that won’t be either entirely eliminated or significantly impacted (to the point of dramatic RIFs) in the next 10 years.

It’s harder than you think.

Any of the skilled trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpentry, fabrication, maintenance/engineering) automotive/vehicle maintenance/repair, firefighting, policing, emergency medical response, commercial fishing, oil and gas drilling….


I think most traditional white collar or professional jobs will be eliminated by AI, but jobs that require human dexterity and problem solving in endlessly dissimilar scenarios will continue to be dominated by humans.


Bad luck for lawyers, doctors and accountants. Good luck for people who turn wrenches, screwdrivers, or fix things.

Speaking for lawyers and doctors (myself and family members), this is laughable. Lawyers are getting sanctioned for using AI.

Smdh

Most of the younger attorneys I’ve known have spent half their first decade in some room toiling away on doc review. When AI takes over doc review, there will be vastly fewer attorneys needed. Fewer younger attorneys in the near future means fewer older attorneys in the longer-term future.


No point in getting upset. Y’all had a good run.

Wow. That's awful. Fwiw, in response to these issues, law schools have reduced their class sizes (or closed) and are graduating fewer baby lawyers now than in the past 10 or so years. This is a problem fixing itself the right way, not the stupid way using AI.