Serious effort to remove IB from FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Somehow, I think IB proponents think that AP kids don't write in their classes.

IB is more expensive.
It appears that more families prefer AP.
IB/AP encourages pupil placement.
IB/AP is not equitable.
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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

Did you actually read my reply before you started screeching about “keep your hands off our kids?” Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Idgaf where your kids go to school, lady. My kids are at Marshall. We are good. We don’t need to kidnap your kids to “shore up” our school. I don’t think IB is superior-read my reply. Take the drama down a notch.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

It’s interesting. I’ve noticed that the same people who were throwing a fit about schools closing, then kids wearing masks, then DEI/trans issues books, and now boundary stuff (and by default freaking about their kids going to an IB school)…all use the same victim-mentality language. “Inflicted on our kids or schools.” The evil, woke school board. Our poor children. How dare FCPS do XYZ? I’m not saying it’s all the same people, but if I were to draw a Venn diagram of all of the aforementioned groups, would it be a circle?

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

It’s interesting. I’ve noticed that the same people who were throwing a fit about schools closing, then kids wearing masks, then DEI/trans issues books, and now boundary stuff (and by default freaking about their kids going to an IB school)…all use the same victim-mentality language. “Inflicted on our kids or schools.” The evil, woke school board. Our poor children. How dare FCPS do XYZ? I’m not saying it’s all the same people, but if I were to draw a Venn diagram of all of the aforementioned groups, would it be a circle?

DP. No. A lot of parents have very strong feelings about AP vs IB. This was going on long before Covid, as evidenced by the last boundary change when kids were moved from an AP school to an IB school and parents at another school successfully lobbied against changing it to IB. Regardless of AP/IB, most people are not in favor of being redistricted in the first place and are especially against it if it would impact their own kids in their sophomore or junior years.

[Anonymous]

IB is not inherently a bad option, problem is like everything else FCPS runs the program poorly.

So no large demand for the IB program. People use it to pupil place elsewhere. At least with AP classes, students can get something out of it if they are motivated to do so.

[Anonymous]

I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

It’s interesting. I’ve noticed that the same people who were throwing a fit about schools closing, then kids wearing masks, then DEI/trans issues books, and now boundary stuff (and by default freaking about their kids going to an IB school)…all use the same victim-mentality language. “Inflicted on our kids or schools.” The evil, woke school board. Our poor children. How dare FCPS do XYZ? I’m not saying it’s all the same people, but if I were to draw a Venn diagram of all of the aforementioned groups, would it be a circle?

I never complained about any of the other stuff. It’s the boundary changes that matter to my family.

Don’t stereotype me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

+10000

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Anonymous wrote:I like our IB school and like the program. Actually prefer it for my humanities kid. But I think we should just have 2-3 at most IB schools at FCPS. Maybe Marshall, South Lakes, and ? I think it’s often used as an excuse to pupil place elsewhere.

Robinson is the only school with a successful IB program.

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Anonymous wrote:I like our IB school and like the program. Actually prefer it for my humanities kid. But I think we should just have 2-3 at most IB schools at FCPS. Maybe Marshall, South Lakes, and ? I think it’s often used as an excuse to pupil place elsewhere.

Robinson is the only school with a successful IB program.

How do you measure success? What is the percentage of kids getting IB diplomas? Does the program attract more students than the number of pupil placements to AP schools? Would Robinson parents at the MS level vote for IB or AP if surveyed?

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel like everyone who hates IB here has no experience of it. DC is a science focused learner and has loved the IB program. My child was writing averse, but IB has taught them how to think critically and write at a much higher and deeper level. It’s an excellent program. I have three friends who are deans at various colleges and many friends who are professors and all have said that they prefer IB students over AP. They say IB students are better prepared for college, write and think critically, and are generally more successful at their universities.

I don’t understand the IB hate. AP is riddled with flaws too. From being too prescriptive and not allowing any Socratic discourse, teachers teaching exclusively to the test and not utilizing any extensions, the breath of the material tested so wide that students are taught to memorize instead of critically think, and perhaps the most important, universities aren’t offering college credit for successful completion of these classes anymore. Not to mention the ridiculousness of the College Board money grab by making HSs offer HS level classes as AP (AP Pre-calculus, AP Computer Science Fundamentals, among others.).

You accuse people of not understanding IB, but your description of AP courses is just as ignorant. - AP teacher

The IBO’s North American headquarters are in the DC area. They monitor DCUM threads and post a lot of pro-IB propaganda, which then gets repeated by defensive parents zoned for IB schools.

Ok tin foil hat lady. I have a kid in IB, I think it’s a good program. I have nothing against AP. I think both programs have their pros and cons. If could pick I would do IB for one kid, AP for my other kid. But you really can’t fathom that someone might disagree with you? And therefore anyone who does, is either an IBO employee or a“defensive parent?” And if they are monitoring DCUM to post “pro IB propaganda,” they do a piss poor job of it bc DCUM (FCPS esp) hates it.

Keep your hands off our kids to shore up your failing IB programs and low-performing schools and we’re good. Most of us do not want that pretentious “programme” inflicted on our kids or schools.

It’s interesting. I’ve noticed that the same people who were throwing a fit about schools closing, then kids wearing masks, then DEI/trans issues books, and now boundary stuff (and by default freaking about their kids going to an IB school)…all use the same victim-mentality language. “Inflicted on our kids or schools.” The evil, woke school board. Our poor children. How dare FCPS do XYZ? I’m not saying it’s all the same people, but if I were to draw a Venn diagram of all of the aforementioned groups, would it be a circle?

In our neighborhood, the people most upset about rezoning are the democrats with the "In our house" yard signs and pride flags, who have just been made aware of what the all democrat school board prioritizes.

They didn't realize "equity for all" included equity for their kids in the form of rezoning them from a successful neighborhood AP school ten minutes away, to a low performing IB school in a different neighborhood now 30 minutes away across a major highway recently gridlocked with return to office traffic.

The open fcps crowd pays attention to the school board to minute levels, and expected this to happen, so they might be unhappy and actively fighting, but they are neither surprised nor overwrought over the rezoning.

The average democratic voter, including many very liberal neighbors, in our area are shocked, upset and feeling betrayed. They are also very fired up in the unique way a passionate person might be when they discover a brand new cause.

Those of you on the far left would be foolish to dismiss the outrage and pushback as just a bunch of open fcps, book banners and trumpers.

They are not the ones most upset because they see this One Fairfax rezoning as par for the course. The most upset are the average democrats just checking in who are outraged at what they are discovering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

Come over to the AP side.

You will be pleased with the rigor and blown away by the flexibility in comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:I like our IB school and like the program. Actually prefer it for my humanities kid. But I think we should just have 2-3 at most IB schools at FCPS. Maybe Marshall, South Lakes, and ? I think it’s often used as an excuse to pupil place elsewhere.

Robinson is the only school with a successful IB program.

How do you measure success? What is the percentage of kids getting IB diplomas? Does the program attract more students than the number of pupil placements to AP schools? Would Robinson parents at the MS level vote for IB or AP if surveyed?

Robindon is the only school with more than 20% IB diplomas awarded (over 100)

The next closest two are only between 50 to 70 diplomas, and the rest are below 20, with some in the single digits.