William & Mary: R1 Research Institution

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Anonymous wrote:American University, too

They're just letting anybody in now.

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I think colleges are struggling with their value proposition and parents/kids these days have a more preprofessional bent and interest in gaining an advantage for outcomes after graduation vs learning and education itself. Therefore, colleges push the research (and internship) narrative. Same thing for current elite college admissions: every hs kid has done 'research' to 'show' intellectual curiosity, etc. Its just part of the game and not authentic. But it works. Colleges with big federally subsidized research budgets bring in big bucks for research grants, pad their bottom line, yet pay the researchers very little. Plus, many kids cant even get staffed on a research projects, no matter what admissions promises. That is why I have become skeptical about the 'r1 research' narrative for perspective students.

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Even SMU made the list now….barely….so you this is a joke of a list…
Texas now has the most number of R1 institutions…….

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Unfortunate timing.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

This is hysterical. Based on a few parents (posters) in an online forum? Rest assured there are plenty of folks that aren’t like that at the schools. But glad your kid is happy! Thanks for the laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

This! What a joke!

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

This was a dumb decision!! What percent of UVA/W&M parents do you think have ever even heard of this website? Like 1%??? Seriously backwards logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

This is hysterical. Based on a few parents (posters) in an online forum? Rest assured there are plenty of folks that aren’t like that at the schools. But glad your kid is happy! Thanks for the laugh!

+1 absolutely one of the most insane things I've ever read.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

This was a dumb decision!! What percent of UVA/W&M parents do you think have ever even heard of this website? Like 1%??? Seriously backwards logic.

UCB instead of UVA is a definitionally good decision. The process may have been flawed but the result was solid.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence of low standards. The R1 category was changed to be more “inclusive” and now there are 40 new R1 institutions. No standards anymore, gold stars for everyone!

Anyone who thinks W&M should be in the same research category as JHU or Harvard is an idiot.

Evidence for change in standards?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/02/13/new-carnegie-classifications-released-41-universities-gain-r1-status/

How does the current R1 designation differ from past?
Research 1: Very High Spending and Doctorate Production is reserved for institutions that spend at least $50 million annually for research and award 70 or more research doctorates each year.

You think in 1 year, 40 institutions just miraculously raised their research spending to R1 status…?

DP but do you just not know? If you don't know just say that.

Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Please get a degree and learn the basics of English before coming onto a forum.

The PP asked a direct question and you answered with a stupid question (probably because you can't answer the actual question).

A direct question is now a targeted accusation with a snarky undertone? Woo, the biases here are insane.

Accusation? What are you even talking about

Oh thank god, you confirmed what I expected: you cannot read either. Hope a literacy program passes by your way sometime! I'm supportive of your endeavors to improve your comprehension skills.

You sound like a complete fool. "Passes by your way"... Really? I'm not the one who needs to take an english class!

DP, but that is readable. You're commenting on a normal phrase.

It sounds weird. Also there shouldn't be two "your"s in a row.

Those are fine as marginal comments, but they actually aren't necessary for improving the sentence. You seem pretty annoying and picky if this bothers you.

Improvement is almost never necessary. It's almost always beneficial.

This is not true. There are necessary syntactic comments that are beneficial AND are important to improving your sentence structure. Marginal comments are mostly unnecessary gripes with style and are often wrong interpretations of how words sound in print versus spoken aloud.

If the above discourse is an example of W&M parents, count me out. Insufferable.

You keep saying this like anyone's supposed to care. If a troll on a forum full of trolls is representative of anything to you you're a clown.

As someone who used this forum a year+ ago to get feedback, it made our decision easier to influence our kid NOT TO go to UVA or W&M. He was accepted at both school from OOS, but after witnessing the constant bickering, infantile, absurd comments from parents whose kids are at both schools, it made us realize that if all these parents are insane, what is the probability that their offspring is any different?

DS is now super happy in the other side of the country at an another public (UCB). Sure UVA/W&M would have been closer (we are in New England), but the lack of insane parenting surrounding his friends is worth the distance….Thank you DCUMers for opening our eyes.

This was a dumb decision!! What percent of UVA/W&M parents do you think have ever even heard of this website? Like 1%??? Seriously backwards logic.

UCB instead of UVA is a definitionally good decision. The process may have been flawed but the result was solid.

Of course the result was the right one but the steps taken are comical. DCUM comments are such an infinitesimally small sample size to draw any sort of conclusion. If there are 25k students at UVA and W&M, then there are around 50k parents with students currently at those two. Not to mention parents of alumni. How many posters talk about those two on here? Probably less than 100! 100/50,000!!!! 0.2%!!!???

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like with the new Research Institution classification this readjusted some of the others.

They categorizations are accurate labels so far as this years' go, so I am fine with it.

The problem is with the status of grants being obliterated now and going forward, research will grind to a halt. Almost no progress will be made in the coming years if the despots in power have it their way. What a bunch of craven tools.

Pretty sure W&M gets basically none of the funding that is being cut. They were ranked like #188 on the list JHU was #1 on...

Pretty sure almost all schools will be impacted. $33M of $82M (40%) of W&M research funding is federal per NSF data. This is probably significantly less than schools with medical and engineering programs, which get a large percentage of federal funding (particularly medical). UVA federal funding is close to 50%. Hopkins is 87%.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent looking at schools with my dc, I am so tired of the marketing spin of 'research' being touted as a big benefit at every college presentation. I don't care if it's R1, R2, whatever. Enough already! It's become another element of buzzword bingo. Can't we just focus on undergraduate learning? And, now that I learned that my tax $$ are funding most of these university research labs, I want to ask for a tuition discount!

What many students benefit from is professor-mentored research opportunities to help them stand out with grad school and work placement. This is not even usually related to the R1 research expenditures. They are largely two different things.