Does anyone know what is up with Amazon RTO?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Fake story. No one things they are untouchable because of tenure unless, you know, they actually have tenure. Everyone knows that older workers often get the axe (PP is likely ageist from the sounds of it).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Yea, it’s fake story. No one was hiring workers cheaper after COVID. Hiring only slowed down the in last few months, and even then only for high level jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Well…salary levels have generally decreased since 2021 at many top tech firms.

Friend of my kid was just hired at FB for still a ton of $$$s…$350k+ for an entry level position with Masters…but my kid said that position was probably $450k in 2021.

Still big bucks…but that’s essentially 25% less.

Tech layoffs didn’t start until 2023, and you are talking about the tippy top of the market if talking FAANG salaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

Being recruited means nothing. They interview a bunch of people for one job and you have to interview with very specific answers to make it through each step. This isn't just a regular job interview.

Op - I was recruited by the hiring manager. Someone I once worked with who said the job is yours basically.
What I do is super relevant to multiple of their corp roles.
Ask yourself why it irks you that this is so. I think it’s bc you don’t want to rto either. If it makes you feel better, you can almost certainly find a job where you don’t have to also! Most people who don’t work in hands on fields do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

If you pay them much less. Amazon gives a four year contract. If they want you out year five or after, they just drop your rsu. They want more lower paid workers. They aren’t doing a lot of new hires, only replacing those leaving.

Like any company there are growth areas and contraction areas

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

They hire to fire.

Why would anyone do that. You sound like you are six years old

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would do it if they offered double my 400k salary at another remote big tech company

Op - yes that’s my comp and it would need to double - which it won’t for these roles

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Well…salary levels have generally decreased since 2021 at many top tech firms.

Friend of my kid was just hired at FB for still a ton of $$$s…$350k+ for an entry level position with Masters…but my kid said that position was probably $450k in 2021.

Still big bucks…but that’s essentially 25% less.

Tech layoffs didn’t start until 2023, and you are talking about the tippy top of the market if talking FAANG salaries.

Well, this entire thread is about Amazon which is one of the A's in FAANG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Fake story. No one things they are untouchable because of tenure unless, you know, they actually have tenure. Everyone knows that older workers often get the axe (PP is likely ageist from the sounds of it).

This is very Amazon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

They hire to fire.

Why would anyone do that. You sound like you are six years old

This is normal at Amazon. You sound like you are 6 as you clearly don’t know the culture. There is a reason they give a four year contract and few make it past that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Well…salary levels have generally decreased since 2021 at many top tech firms.

Friend of my kid was just hired at FB for still a ton of $$$s…$350k+ for an entry level position with Masters…but my kid said that position was probably $450k in 2021.

Still big bucks…but that’s essentially 25% less.

Tech layoffs didn’t start until 2023, and you are talking about the tippy top of the market if talking FAANG salaries.

Amazon regularly forces people out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Are you Amazon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

Being recruited means nothing. They interview a bunch of people for one job and you have to interview with very specific answers to make it through each step. This isn't just a regular job interview.

Yes, the world is aware of the Amazon interview process. And the fabled bar raisers. News flash, many college t companies have equivalent or better processes. It’s not exactly easy to get a job on Wall Street, for example.

The discussion is about Amazon. Being contacted by a recruiter and being given an offer are two different things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

Being recruited means nothing. They interview a bunch of people for one job and you have to interview with very specific answers to make it through each step. This isn't just a regular job interview.

Op - I was recruited by the hiring manager. Someone I once worked with who said the job is yours basically.
What I do is super relevant to multiple of their corp roles.
Ask yourself why it irks you that this is so. I think it’s bc you don’t want to rto either. If it makes you feel better, you can almost certainly find a job where you don’t have to also! Most people who don’t work in hands on fields do.

That’s not how it works.