Does anyone know what is up with Amazon RTO?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The way it's being implemented is a mess. I work at HQ2 in Crystal City and went in today. Office was pretty much empty (at least my floor). My team STILL has not received clear instructions from our manager regarding if you have to come in everyday 9-5.

Stop asking about this! There is no official policy to date and we don't want one because it will be bad. It's a hush hush thing, we are all coffee badging some days, so let's keep it that way...

Please don’t do that and play games and ruin things for everyone. The official policy was rto starting today.

I'm an L8. This is my policy and I'm well aware of the RTO mandate and what the official stance is. RTO had never been more than badge swipes.

You are the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work at Amazon. It is not being walked back. Full stop.

There used to be frequent articles about the caustic work environment at Amazon before WFH. Wonder if that's about to come back as well.

Yes that’s the “culture” they want to bring back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

Being recruited means nothing. They interview a bunch of people for one job and you have to interview with very specific answers to make it through each step. This isn't just a regular job interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work at Amazon. It is not being walked back. Full stop.

There used to be frequent articles about the caustic work environment at Amazon before WFH. Wonder if that's about to come back as well.

Yes that’s the “culture” they want to bring back.

It never stopped being there. They want to do a quiet lay off by getting people to quit. They also are probably getting pressure from government's because of all the tax breaks on the buildings to have everyone in office - government makes money on tolls, gas, etc each day as well as taxes from local businesses (we will be packing lunches daily as the office shop is not $15-18 for a sandwich and drink (no chips).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

If you pay them much less. Amazon gives a four year contract. If they want you out year five or after, they just drop your rsu. They want more lower paid workers. They aren’t doing a lot of new hires, only replacing those leaving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

They hire to fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is bloated. RTO is an easy way to reduce headcount without layoffs

So why are they hiring new employees?

Because they can pay them less. The work is there.

PP claimed they were trying to reduce headcount. If people quit because of RTO and then you hire people to replace them, you haven’t reduced headcount. Also, since when does it cost less to hire new employees? That actually costs more.

I work for a different company. I had 3 employees that didn’t want to RTO after Covid ended. They were low performers on a team I inherited after Covid. They were also difficult to manage and thought they were untouchable due to tenure. We let all 3 go and replaced them with much better associates making 25% less salary. The new associates were better, far more productive, and cheaper.

Thats an anomaly then. Whenever I’ve had to hire a replacement, I have had to pay the same or more than the person I replaced.

Well…salary levels have generally decreased since 2021 at many top tech firms.

Friend of my kid was just hired at FB for still a ton of $$$s…$350k+ for an entry level position with Masters…but my kid said that position was probably $450k in 2021.

Still big bucks…but that’s essentially 25% less.

[Anonymous]

I would do it if they offered double my 400k salary at another remote big tech company

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had seen some roles there that are perrrfect for me but have not applied as no way am i doing 5 day a week rto.
I did hear rumblings they may be walking it back. Does anyone have any intel?

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t make it past the bar raiser.

Op - I’ve been recruited by them in the past (had another job at the time) so much as I know you hate the idea of people having choices - they in fact do!

Being recruited means nothing. They interview a bunch of people for one job and you have to interview with very specific answers to make it through each step. This isn't just a regular job interview.

Yes, the world is aware of the Amazon interview process. And the fabled bar raisers. News flash, many college t companies have equivalent or better processes. It’s not exactly easy to get a job on Wall Street, for example.