Primetime travel baseball scumbags

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Stars have a ton of teams too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like most travel baseball orgs TBH. Nothing new.

Did they cut your kid or something?

Is soccer like this too?

No.

Soccer has the USA soccer framework so the best soccer players don't even play on their high school teams

Baseball around here is particularly bad.
I hear similar things about other sports but nothing I have heard comes close to approaching baseball.
Not basketball, not girl's volleyball, not cheer, nothing.

Almost every high school baseball coach in associated with a travel baseball team and being on that travel team is a pre-requisite for some high school teams and is highly recommended for others.
The baseball scene around here has changed dramatically in the past 5-10 years.
Baseball is a money sport now, for the most part.

Travel teams starting at 7U now.
Some organizations have 15 teams at the 13U level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like most travel baseball orgs TBH. Nothing new.

Did they cut your kid or something?

Is soccer like this too?

No.

Soccer has the USA soccer framework so the best soccer players don't even play on their high school teams

Baseball around here is particularly bad.
I hear similar things about other sports but nothing I have heard comes close to approaching baseball.
Not basketball, not girl's volleyball, not cheer, nothing.

Almost every high school baseball coach in associated with a travel baseball team and being on that travel team is a pre-requisite for some high school teams and is highly recommended for others.
The baseball scene around here has changed dramatically in the past 5-10 years.
Baseball is a money sport now, for the most part.

Travel teams starting at 7U now.
Some organizations have 15 teams at the 13U level.

I've heard many states don't allow travel/club teams with more than half the kids from the same high school. Seems the area state athletic organizations should do the same. Would help with issues like the Hayfield scandal to boot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Original post all true. Don’t know specifics of federal investigation.

Coach and Mom were both married to others, but still together.

They hired the one under investigation when you could very easily google his name and find it. Primetime didn’t care. He was a wealthy dad. He was very trumpy and under investigation for price gauging covid supplies. Primetime paid him to coach for at least two years. I think He was eventually pushed out for cancelling too many practices and all the parents complained.

I know who this is. We were 3-0 against him. If he was a paid coach, that's hilarious. He didn't know much baseball, but his son had a decent fastball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like most travel baseball orgs TBH. Nothing new.

Did they cut your kid or something?

Is soccer like this too?

No.

Soccer has the USA soccer framework so the best soccer players don't even play on their high school teams

Baseball around here is particularly bad.
I hear similar things about other sports but nothing I have heard comes close to approaching baseball.
Not basketball, not girl's volleyball, not cheer, nothing.

Almost every high school baseball coach in associated with a travel baseball team and being on that travel team is a pre-requisite for some high school teams and is highly recommended for others.
The baseball scene around here has changed dramatically in the past 5-10 years.
Baseball is a money sport now, for the most part.

Travel teams starting at 7U now.
Some organizations have 15 teams at the 13U level.

I've heard many states don't allow travel/club teams with more than half the kids from the same high school. Seems the area state athletic organizations should do the same. Would help with issues like the Hayfield scandal to boot.

I thought VA was like that -- I remember DD's GF Sharks travel team was coached by the Langley softball coach, and he made a point of counting how many Langley players were on the team and making sure it was less than 1/2 of the roster. (My DD played for a different local high school).

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

I love to know this too because our kids have taken a bunch of camps with him and he is a super nice guy. He’s also now partnering with Kurt over at ignite to run a bunch of clinics. My kids have always loved his camps. The “story“ Our team heard is that some O’Connell player got severely injured in the weight room and it was due to poor supervision/practices and someone needed to take the fall. But that doesn’t seem to add up to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

I love to know this too because our kids have taken a bunch of camps with him and he is a super nice guy. He’s also now partnering with Kurt over at ignite to run a bunch of clinics. My kids have always loved his camps. The “story“ Our team heard is that some O’Connell player got severely injured in the weight room and it was due to poor supervision/practices and someone needed to take the fall. But that doesn’t seem to add up to me.

I heard same story about the “poor supervision.” In this litigious world…I can see it. Plus, no one wants a repeat of the West Potomac abuse (by students) that happened several years ago.

[Anonymous]

What happened on the west Potomac baseball team?

[Anonymous]

There’s been tons of rumors at our private school that they have been trying to get rid of our baseball coach for a really long time but have had zero luck finding a good replacement. What is the deal with that? Why aren’t there any good baseball coaches out there? I assume they need a college graduate that can do a job at the school as well. Any good players get recruited to other programs at Gonzaga or BI and it’s been happening for ten years or more. I think the school started caring when a few big donor legacy families left. The coach doesn’t have a reputation that is overwhelmingly good or bad. I know he is known for not answering emails and not recruiting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

I love to know this too because our kids have taken a bunch of camps with him and he is a super nice guy. He’s also now partnering with Kurt over at ignite to run a bunch of clinics. My kids have always loved his camps. The “story“ Our team heard is that some O’Connell player got severely injured in the weight room and it was due to poor supervision/practices and someone needed to take the fall. But that doesn’t seem to add up to me.

We have also done the camps in the past and liked him. I don’t like the people from ignite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

I love to know this too because our kids have taken a bunch of camps with him and he is a super nice guy. He’s also now partnering with Kurt over at ignite to run a bunch of clinics. My kids have always loved his camps. The “story“ Our team heard is that some O’Connell player got severely injured in the weight room and it was due to poor supervision/practices and someone needed to take the fall. But that doesn’t seem to add up to me.

We have also done the camps in the past and liked him. I don’t like the people from ignite.

Kurt knows his stuff. The rest of the crew… kind of a mixed (and ever-changing) bag. I was not at all surprised to see someone on Primetime’s staff who used to be at Ignite.

Note to baseball facility managers and prospective managers: I don’t care if a coach once had half a cup of instant coffee in a MLB-adjacent organization. I don’t care if a coach once played (RF, and only when they were winning) at a college that is classified as D1 solely by the grace of God and the scheming of the athletic department.

I care about whether you have good communication skills, even better organizational skills, an excellent eye for mechanics, and the ability to distill your advice into actionable, achievable directions. If they can teach and grow players, they could have spent the last year managing their Brownie troop’s t-ball badge for all I care.

I do not want to pay through the nose in both time and money to hear nothing at BP but “Quick bat. Think right field.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Primetime Aces is a typical profit driven skeezy baseball farm facility preying on the dreams of kids and parents. It’s a Classic pyramid scheme, starting new teams to pay off old debts. They are negligent on their nvtbsl bills. They have coaches who no-show to private lessons and then charge anyway. They have coaches who are married and are sleeping with team moms. They have coaches under criminal federal investigation and with DUIs who show up high. Their facility has rodents and is filthy. There is no mentorship or player development. They are last to sign up for nvtbsl or always register late so the outdoor practices are all over the place and so far away. The owners have a god complex and think they are king makers when 90% of their “college athletes” are paying double for college just for the privilege to play the bench on a D3 team. Would not trust anyone in that organization to supervise my children any way.

One team organization that I’ve begin to enjoy for my son is Koa Waves. Although the organization itself hasn’t been the greatest in the past, the commits almost always go to high academic schools like Cornell. The 2027 team has been amazing and they have one multiple tournaments and coaching is great.
Program is getting better and better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Primetime Aces is a typical profit driven skeezy baseball farm facility preying on the dreams of kids and parents. It’s a Classic pyramid scheme, starting new teams to pay off old debts. They are negligent on their nvtbsl bills. They have coaches who no-show to private lessons and then charge anyway. They have coaches who are married and are sleeping with team moms. They have coaches under criminal federal investigation and with DUIs who show up high. Their facility has rodents and is filthy. There is no mentorship or player development. They are last to sign up for nvtbsl or always register late so the outdoor practices are all over the place and so far away. The owners have a god complex and think they are king makers when 90% of their “college athletes” are paying double for college just for the privilege to play the bench on a D3 team. Would not trust anyone in that organization to supervise my children any way.

One team organization that I’ve begin to enjoy for my son is Koa Waves. Although the organization itself hasn’t been the greatest in the past, the commits almost always go to high academic schools like Cornell. The 2027 team has been amazing and they have one multiple tournaments and coaching is great.
Program is getting better and better.

I have never seen them in any tournament, even the ones at Patriot Park.

What tournaments do they play?

Also, Cornell doesn’t list any 2022-2025 commits that were recruited from a Waves team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh lord… I wish I had seen this thread 3 years ago. You can get lucky with a good coach but once you deal with the owners/ organization, any sensible person would run. All of these stories are very true, but I will add that some coaches are decent. My older son was being given the typical run around for years and we decided to jump on an opportunity for him to play up on a less serious team with friends. We declined a primetime offer and then they retaliated against my younger son who is 9. His team was pretty terrible and only won three games. He was one of the best players on the team. I am saying that objectively. He is a great player. He has his problems but he can play sport ball. He even won the game ball after throwing an incredible 75 pitches and winning one of only three games that they won all season. He was cut 4 days later and placed on a newly formed B team (created to pay bills on old debts). It was certainly retaliation for us declining the older child’s offer. They def didn’t want my older son on the team but I heard lots of jokes and chatter about us paying the bills for Cooperstown. The team expected us to tap our wealthy family to foot the bill for their vacation. They even planned to “fundraise” for a team parent house and when I said, I don't plan on staying at an Airbnb with all the other parents they had to cancel the idea and one parent joked, “but how are we going to get your family to pay for our house then?” So if there was animosity about us leaving, it was entirely based on fundraising efforts. We declined the B team offer for my younger child and I sent an email to the owner explaining why. He wanted a phone call with me to dress me down and explain how travel baseball works. I offered him a call with my husband. He told my husband that we need to understand when making decisions for our children that they will remember our name and that they “hold a grudge”. They threatened us over a choice we made for our 9 year old! Just to warn anyone who is currently on a primetime team, you’ll have to move away to get out of that situation, otherwise they will hold a grudge. Walk away very very slowly because even if they don’t play your kid, they want your money and will hold a grudge if you take it away.

The biggest issue is that they have coaches at both Yorktown and O’Connell… So if your kid wants to play there, you have to “play the game” with primetime.

None of the 2025 O'Connell commits played for Primetime (at least as their most recent team)...maybe it's more important at Yorktown.

The new O'Connell coach is a PT coach....

Why did the former O’Connell coach get fired?

I love to know this too because our kids have taken a bunch of camps with him and he is a super nice guy. He’s also now partnering with Kurt over at ignite to run a bunch of clinics. My kids have always loved his camps. The “story“ Our team heard is that some O’Connell player got severely injured in the weight room and it was due to poor supervision/practices and someone needed to take the fall. But that doesn’t seem to add up to me.

We have also done the camps in the past and liked him. I don’t like the people from ignite.

Kurt knows his stuff. The rest of the crew… kind of a mixed (and ever-changing) bag. I was not at all surprised to see someone on Primetime’s staff who used to be at Ignite.

Note to baseball facility managers and prospective managers: I don’t care if a coach once had half a cup of instant coffee in a MLB-adjacent organization. I don’t care if a coach once played (RF, and only when they were winning) at a college that is classified as D1 solely by the grace of God and the scheming of the athletic department.

I care about whether you have good communication skills, even better organizational skills, an excellent eye for mechanics, and the ability to distill your advice into actionable, achievable directions. If they can teach and grow players, they could have spent the last year managing their Brownie troop’s t-ball badge for all I care.

I do not want to pay through the nose in both time and money to hear nothing at BP but “Quick bat. Think right field.”

Cool, but they don't care what you think as a parent. VERY few kids have a choice of where they play. Top 1-2 on each team. They just want your $$$