When do Cogat scores come back?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In 2019, we did NOT get them before the deadline. The deadline was Friday, and I vividly remember getting them on Saturday in the mail.

My kid was in 2nd in 2019, we had the CoGAT scores and in-pool notification before referrals were due. We knew that DC was in pool and choose to submit the parent referral any way. Our school would not give out packets until after the committee met and we got the packet a week before COVID closed the school. I remember because several friends struggled to get their kids packet because of the school closure.

Pp here. My kid was in 2nd in 2018-2019 and in 3rd 2019-2020. He was already in AAP in 2020.

In the fall of 2018, we received in pool letters before referral date.

I had a kid in 2nd in 2019-2020 and 3rd in 2020-2021. Referral date was still in January back then, and we had scores and in-pool letters before winter break. I remember finalizing the parent part of the packet at the end of break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2019, we did NOT get them before the deadline. The deadline was Friday, and I vividly remember getting them on Saturday in the mail.

My kid was in 2nd in 2019, we had the CoGAT scores and in-pool notification before referrals were due. We knew that DC was in pool and choose to submit the parent referral any way. Our school would not give out packets until after the committee met and we got the packet a week before COVID closed the school. I remember because several friends struggled to get their kids packet because of the school closure.

Pp here. My kid was in 2nd in 2018-2019 and in 3rd 2019-2020. He was already in AAP in 2020.

In the fall of 2018, we received in pool letters before referral date.

I had a kid in 2nd in 2019-2020 and 3rd in 2020-2021. Referral date was still in January back then, and we had scores and in-pool letters before winter break. I remember finalizing the parent part of the packet at the end of break.

Did you know if your child got into AAP before Covid shut the world down?

I remember Covid happened before spring break. I can only imagine how impatient those parents were that spring 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2019, we did NOT get them before the deadline. The deadline was Friday, and I vividly remember getting them on Saturday in the mail.

My kid was in 2nd in 2019, we had the CoGAT scores and in-pool notification before referrals were due. We knew that DC was in pool and choose to submit the parent referral any way. Our school would not give out packets until after the committee met and we got the packet a week before COVID closed the school. I remember because several friends struggled to get their kids packet because of the school closure.

Pp here. My kid was in 2nd in 2018-2019 and in 3rd 2019-2020. He was already in AAP in 2020.

In the fall of 2018, we received in pool letters before referral date.

I had a kid in 2nd in 2019-2020 and 3rd in 2020-2021. Referral date was still in January back then, and we had scores and in-pool letters before winter break. I remember finalizing the parent part of the packet at the end of break.

Did you know if your child got into AAP before Covid shut the world down?

I remember Covid happened before spring break. I can only imagine how impatient those parents were that spring 2020.

I think was the first year they emailed acceptances over an hour on the Friday before spring break like they do now. We didn't know before the world shut down. They did at least warn us we'd be getting it via email and communicate the process.

The virtual "open houses" for centers were weird. I was so relieved our base was our center and I didn't have to decide whether to send my kid to a new school based on a narrated slide deck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2019, we did NOT get them before the deadline. The deadline was Friday, and I vividly remember getting them on Saturday in the mail.

My kid was in 2nd in 2019, we had the CoGAT scores and in-pool notification before referrals were due. We knew that DC was in pool and choose to submit the parent referral any way. Our school would not give out packets until after the committee met and we got the packet a week before COVID closed the school. I remember because several friends struggled to get their kids packet because of the school closure.

Pp here. My kid was in 2nd in 2018-2019 and in 3rd 2019-2020. He was already in AAP in 2020.

In the fall of 2018, we received in pool letters before referral date.

I had a kid in 2nd in 2019-2020 and 3rd in 2020-2021. Referral date was still in January back then, and we had scores and in-pool letters before winter break. I remember finalizing the parent part of the packet at the end of break.

Did you know if your child got into AAP before Covid shut the world down?

I remember Covid happened before spring break. I can only imagine how impatient those parents were that spring 2020.

Not PP but I had a 2nd grader in 2019-2020. Honestly we didn’t even think about AAP after submitting the materials because of Covid. I remember getting the acceptance decision after school shutdown. My kid spent 3rd grade virtually and only went to the new center school in 4th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

Are you suggesting the AART looks at our referral packet to use when they write the HOPE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

Are you suggesting the AART looks at our referral packet to use when they write the HOPE?

No idea. I'm suggesting that you paint a picture in the head of everyone who reads the packet, and if you make it vivid enough that picture sticks.

Just like over on the college forum they'll tell you that kids should be making admissions officers root for them in their essays. Parents can, if they are skilled, make AARTs sub-consciously root for a kid.

And yes, it's inequitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

I think you might be overthinking it.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

Are you suggesting the AART looks at our referral packet to use when they write the HOPE?

No idea. I'm suggesting that you paint a picture in the head of everyone who reads the packet, and if you make it vivid enough that picture sticks.

Just like over on the college forum they'll tell you that kids should be making admissions officers root for them in their essays. Parents can, if they are skilled, make AARTs sub-consciously root for a kid.

And yes, it's inequitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

I think you might be overthinking it.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

Are you suggesting the AART looks at our referral packet to use when they write the HOPE?

No idea. I'm suggesting that you paint a picture in the head of everyone who reads the packet, and if you make it vivid enough that picture sticks.

Just like over on the college forum they'll tell you that kids should be making admissions officers root for them in their essays. Parents can, if they are skilled, make AARTs sub-consciously root for a kid.

And yes, it's inequitable.

I think you are overthinking this. I doubt an AART has time or enthusiasm to root for specific kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

At least in my school, the HOPE was filled out in Nov. way before any cogat or referral kicks in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect one reason they might be doing it this way is so that families do not wait to see scores before deciding whether or not to refer. This way, the scores are not overweighted by families. It's clear FCPS wants to reduce the emphasis on scores. But I think this could cut both ways--a family might ignore all the messages about AAP without seeing scores. (My school sent out quite a few messages reminding parents of the deadline to refer.) However, let's say a family ignores the messages, if the child is in pool, they get considered anyway, so no harm no foul. So maybe the end result is a more diverse pool to evaluate? Just some arm chair speculation while I impatiently wait for the scores...

I was thinking the same. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense because it seems the best way to help families make the right choice re: referring is to give them all available info, and I am sure the cogat results are available.

The parent referral process itself is pretty unfair and arbitrator. It was not a small amount of work to put together those packets and the questions are odd. I write persuasively for a living and found it difficult to fill it out. Finding work samples that fit the size requirements and looked okay scanned was a pain. I have a hunch that the parent submission is basically ignored but is included as an option so people feel like they had input into the process.

Agree...Parent referrals are just a way for them to gauge how many parents want their kids in, and who will be appealing/referring again next year if their kids don't get in. Eventually all the kids who are reasonably qualified (good scores and grades) will get in, although it might take a few years or the parents might give up.

There's one piece everyone forgets about the parent referral. The AART sees everything you write before the in-school committee does their part of the packet. You think those little anecdotes don't have an impact, or perhaps remind teachers of something that happened in class as well (back when they did a ton of writing to put together GBRSes, at least, but even with HOPE)?

Parent referral is required by the state, so it's not going away.

At least in my school, the HOPE was filled out in Nov. way before any cogat or referral kicks in.

Doubtful anything is filled out since cogat scores are not even out yet. The teacher would not even know which students are in pool via test scores or referred to by parents.

[Anonymous]

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Is your child's NNAT score in the 90%+ ? Is your child intellectually curious? Is your child able to focus on certain thing he/she interested in for a long time? Can you have an intelligent conversation with your child?

You forgot “is your child neurotypical?” Trust me, your child can be all of those other things but low support needs autistic and you won’t get a placement.

[Anonymous]

I thought they would come out last Friday, but with the referral deadline come and gone, my money is now on a long standing fcps tradition of the last day before winter break (this upcoming friday).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Is your child's NNAT score in the 90%+ ? Is your child intellectually curious? Is your child able to focus on certain thing he/she interested in for a long time? Can you have an intelligent conversation with your child?

You forgot “is your child neurotypical?” Trust me, your child can be all of those other things but low support needs autistic and you won’t get a placement.

This just isn't true. My kid's center class has multiple students with ADHD and/or Autism - it's over 1/4 of the class.