DS cheated and the teacher won't allow extra credit

[Anonymous]

If you complain to the teacher about the B, I hope she agrees that the B is an unfair grade and gives your kid a D instead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Yeah no. Nobody is picking on the cheater. I wouldn’t say half are cheating but the worst are the grade grubbers and teachers don’t like them anyway so they won’t let it slide. Teachers do care. It’s really tiresome for people to claim over and over that teachers don’t care. Most do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Teachers care. The problem is teachers are outnumbered and they have limited resources.

I teach 140 students. I am no longer using laptops for any class assessment, primarily because I can’t watch 30 screens at once. So we are back to paper and pencil, and I also change the tests for each period.

It takes me an absurd amount of time to prepare this and even more time to grade 140 handwritten tests with written responses. The planning and grading have to happen at home since I have no time during the day to complete either task.

Computers make the workload more manageable, which is why many teachers prefer to run their assessments online. It cuts the workload in half, which means teachers can spend more time on their own obligations.

They aren’t being lazy. They are protecting their time and work/life balance.

You are a unicorn so not talking about you. And I know that all teachers are overburdened because many/most kids are not at the the proper grade level. I was saying that most teachers don't care about the cheating since most kids are openly doing it and/or it's easy to prove. I'm just questioning why one kid (who the teacher may not like???) is being singled out when others could probably be easily accused as well.

I am NOT a unicorn. I sit through so many meetings where my coworkers show their concern for students’ well-being.

And no, it isn’t easy to prove cheating. I’ve sat through many uncomfortable conferences with parents, who scream that their child never cheated and never will cheat. I can have proof with me (version histories, the student’s initial admission to cheating) and the parents will still refute it.

Frankly, it’s exhausting. I actively watch parents cripple their own children this way. Consequences teach lessons and help students avoid larger consequences in the future, but so many parents want to avoid them altogether.

And for what it’s worth, my own child cheated a few years ago. I thanked the teacher for telling me and allowed my child to learn from the experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Teachers care. The problem is teachers are outnumbered and they have limited resources.

I teach 140 students. I am no longer using laptops for any class assessment, primarily because I can’t watch 30 screens at once. So we are back to paper and pencil, and I also change the tests for each period.

It takes me an absurd amount of time to prepare this and even more time to grade 140 handwritten tests with written responses. The planning and grading have to happen at home since I have no time during the day to complete either task.

Computers make the workload more manageable, which is why many teachers prefer to run their assessments online. It cuts the workload in half, which means teachers can spend more time on their own obligations.

They aren’t being lazy. They are protecting their time and work/life balance.

You are a unicorn so not talking about you. And I know that all teachers are overburdened because many/most kids are not at the the proper grade level. I was saying that most teachers don't care about the cheating since most kids are openly doing it and/or it's easy to prove. I'm just questioning why one kid (who the teacher may not like???) is being singled out when others could probably be easily accused as well.

I am NOT a unicorn. I sit through so many meetings where my coworkers show their concern for students’ well-being.

And no, it isn’t easy to prove cheating. I’ve sat through many uncomfortable conferences with parents, who scream that their child never cheated and never will cheat. I can have proof with me (version histories, the student’s initial admission to cheating) and the parents will still refute it.

Frankly, it’s exhausting. I actively watch parents cripple their own children this way. Consequences teach lessons and help students avoid larger consequences in the future, but so many parents want to avoid them altogether.

And for what it’s worth, my own child cheated a few years ago. I thanked the teacher for telling me and allowed my child to learn from the experience.

NP. Everyone should be listening to this PP.

If your kid does something wrong and the first reaction is to find ways to try and blame the teacher or other kids, the problem is you and you are crippling your child in life. Or did you plan to raise Brock Turner or Donald Trump? Because that's the parental attitude that made them who they are - always blaming everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Like many PPs, I really hope that OP is a troll. On the off chance they aren’t:

OP, what do you think a T10 would do if they admitted him and then caught him cheating, which he would probably need to do because he didn’t put in the work in HS to learn the material and earn the grade. Do you think an expulsion from a T10 is more prestigious than impressing a prof at a state U or LAC with what he actually knows? Stop focusing on status and focus on the actual learning. FWIW, my kids also went to a competitive magnet (not TJ), so I understand the pressure involved. Maybe you need to stop pushing for a T10 and talk to a counselor about dropping down a level in one of his courses next semester or replacing an elective with a study hall. Burnout is real.

Easing his course load may or may not affect his chances for a T10, but even if he has successfully cheated his way to straight A’s, there is no guaranteed track to a T10. From what I’ve been able to gather, being a top student just qualifies you to be in the pool of top students and then it probably comes down to chance, unless your child is truly remarkable (winner of the Regeneron Science Competition, Olympic medalist, Oscar winner, Greta Thunberg, etc), in which case they’ll probably overlook a B.

I hope he has a successful future, but I think a T10, while it might be nice, is basically irrelevant. I think it’s far more important that he (and you) reevaluate your priorities. Did you ever even stop and consider whether a school outside the T10, might actually give him a better experience? There are lots of successful people who don’t go to a T10, and lots of T10 students who aren’t particularly successful.

[Anonymous]

What you need to face is this: what are the odds that the only time he cheated is the time he got caught? Basically, zero.

How much of his academic record up to this point can be attributed to cutting corners?

[Anonymous]

If you ain't cheatin' then you ain't tryin'

[Anonymous]

Cheating is wrong. Does your son know the difference between right and wrong?

Is he one that would be embezzling from an employer because it is easier? Would he falsify medical studies for better rewards because it is easy (at a lot of cost to patients?)

He is on track to be a loser with "0" integrity.

I'd put a lot of effort into training him on the difference between right and wrong the next 2 years.

You need to take a tough stance on this.

[Anonymous]

Students grow through failure. Let him have the B and learn some ethics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never called, "Troll," before but this one really takes the cake.

Do you know what a troll is?
Why is everyone called a troll?
Stop.

[Anonymous]

Lady, your kid is getting the lower grade. Game over. Teachable moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Email the teacher? Maybe try parenting your child. Where do you think they learn cheating is ok?

+1

Doubt this was the first time he cheated

[Anonymous]

Your kid should have been sent before an honor board and either expelled or suspended with a mark on his record to colleges that he cheated.

You are damn lucky he got out of this with only a B.

Are you from another country where cheating and plagiarism is more tolerated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

You should do nothing. Hopefully your son has learned that actions have consequences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Teachers care. The problem is teachers are outnumbered and they have limited resources.

I teach 140 students. I am no longer using laptops for any class assessment, primarily because I can’t watch 30 screens at once. So we are back to paper and pencil, and I also change the tests for each period.

It takes me an absurd amount of time to prepare this and even more time to grade 140 handwritten tests with written responses. The planning and grading have to happen at home since I have no time during the day to complete either task.

Computers make the workload more manageable, which is why many teachers prefer to run their assessments online. It cuts the workload in half, which means teachers can spend more time on their own obligations.

They aren’t being lazy. They are protecting their time and work/life balance.

You are a unicorn so not talking about you. And I know that all teachers are overburdened because many/most kids are not at the the proper grade level. I was saying that most teachers don't care about the cheating since most kids are openly doing it and/or it's easy to prove. I'm just questioning why one kid (who the teacher may not like???) is being singled out when others could probably be easily accused as well.

I am NOT a unicorn. I sit through so many meetings where my coworkers show their concern for students’ well-being.

And no, it isn’t easy to prove cheating. I’ve sat through many uncomfortable conferences with parents, who scream that their child never cheated and never will cheat. I can have proof with me (version histories, the student’s initial admission to cheating) and the parents will still refute it.

Frankly, it’s exhausting. I actively watch parents cripple their own children this way. Consequences teach lessons and help students avoid larger consequences in the future, but so many parents want to avoid them altogether.

And for what it’s worth, my own child cheated a few years ago. I thanked the teacher for telling me and allowed my child to learn from the experience.

Another teacher. I've experienced all of this too.