DS cheated and the teacher won't allow extra credit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I assume this is a spoof?

My oldest was so stressed in 12th grade he had a breakdown. Did he cheat? NO.

That you know of.

[Anonymous]

I really don't think this is a troll. My son is at a top school and he said the amount of cheating the top students do is insane. It is totally out of control. Students in earlier periods are recording the test and then showing it to students in later periods who are in their friend group.

Students with older siblings/cousins have saved test papers and help people in their friend group. Many of these groups come from the same ethnic community.

My son feels like he is at a huge disadvantage. He has gotten B's after studying for hours. He is fine with that because he knows he is learning but it is disheartening that several students aren't studying and getting A's in AP/Honors classes because of the rampant cheating.

In his one AP class where the teacher is young and new he is one of the few students getting an A. The teacher is on the look out of cheaters and makes students take paper and pencil tests, has various copies and subtly changes things around.

[Anonymous]

I have been telling my kids in ES that cheating is one of the worst things a person can do. They get really upset and angry when other kids cheat playing games on the playground. Now I am having to teach proper response and behavior when others cheat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really don't think this is a troll. My son is at a top school and he said the amount of cheating the top students do is insane. It is totally out of control. Students in earlier periods are recording the test and then showing it to students in later periods who are in their friend group.

Students with older siblings/cousins have saved test papers and help people in their friend group. Many of these groups come from the same ethnic community.

My son feels like he is at a huge disadvantage. He has gotten B's after studying for hours. He is fine with that because he knows he is learning but it is disheartening that several students aren't studying and getting A's in AP/Honors classes because of the rampant cheating.

In his one AP class where the teacher is young and new he is one of the few students getting an A. The teacher is on the look out of cheaters and makes students take paper and pencil tests, has various copies and subtly changes things around.

I am absolutely not excusing it and I think teachers are having a really hard time policing this behavior, but I am gobsmacked by some of the responses here. Not because I think OP's kid should be excused. He shouldn't. But the "my kid would NEVER" is truly laughable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he gets a B, and that is the only consequence, consider him very lucky.

This. Suspension is what happened to my neighbor’s son who cheated. Whatever was due while he was suspended was considered late and was grade with a late penalty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

[Anonymous]

It's called consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Teachers care. The problem is teachers are outnumbered and they have limited resources.

I teach 140 students. I am no longer using laptops for any class assessment, primarily because I can’t watch 30 screens at once. So we are back to paper and pencil, and I also change the tests for each period.

It takes me an absurd amount of time to prepare this and even more time to grade 140 handwritten tests with written responses. The planning and grading have to happen at home since I have no time during the day to complete either task.

Computers make the workload more manageable, which is why many teachers prefer to run their assessments online. It cuts the workload in half, which means teachers can spend more time on their own obligations.

They aren’t being lazy. They are protecting their time and work/life balance.

[Anonymous]

May peace be with you, and may Jesus help you steer the helicopter to a safe place and provide your son with wisdom in the form of a swift kick in the pants and a new start after he has learned his lesson, like so many kids have to. In (not T)Jesus's name, Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is at a competitive magnet (not TJ). He is a junior and the pressure this year has really been getting to him. Last week, he had a big unit test and was caught cheating. The test was out of 50 points, and he received a zero, so obviously this is going to affect his grade a lot.

I agree that he should have gotten a zero, and he also received consequences at home. However, I really don't want him to get a B this semester since he is on track for T10s. I asked him to email the teacher about extra credit and how to raise his grade, but the teacher responded this morning saying they aren't going to allow that.

I really have no idea what to do. Should I email the teacher?

No.

The cheating incident should be on his transcript, too. Colleges need to know about his poor character.

My kids say that prob half the kids are cheating at school in various ways: chatbots, getting tests from friends, just openly cheating during makeup tests because proctor doesn't care, faking data in labs, etc. They're not that clandestine about it. A lot of teachers don't care. So not sure if it's the case for the OP, but the teacher may just be picking on one kid when a number of others could easily have been accused as well.

Teachers care. The problem is teachers are outnumbered and they have limited resources.

I teach 140 students. I am no longer using laptops for any class assessment, primarily because I can’t watch 30 screens at once. So we are back to paper and pencil, and I also change the tests for each period.

It takes me an absurd amount of time to prepare this and even more time to grade 140 handwritten tests with written responses. The planning and grading have to happen at home since I have no time during the day to complete either task.

Computers make the workload more manageable, which is why many teachers prefer to run their assessments online. It cuts the workload in half, which means teachers can spend more time on their own obligations.

They aren’t being lazy. They are protecting their time and work/life balance.

You are a unicorn so not talking about you. And I know that all teachers are overburdened because many/most kids are not at the the proper grade level. I was saying that most teachers don't care about the cheating since most kids are openly doing it and/or it's easy to prove. I'm just questioning why one kid (who the teacher may not like???) is being singled out when others could probably be easily accused as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume this is a spoof?

My oldest was so stressed in 12th grade he had a breakdown. Did he cheat? NO.

That you know of.

What sort of comment is this? Are we assuming every teen cheats now?

DS has a very hard time telling lies, and tells the truth even when it gets him into trouble. I wish he'd lie better.

So no, he didn't cheat.

[Anonymous]

I can't never tell what's a troll post versus not.

This certainly seems like a troll post.

[Anonymous]

If he has to cheat his way through high school, maybe a T10 would be too much for him. It's ok if that's the case. I'm sure in the long run you'd rather have a happy kid and a mentally sound kid than a kid who is stressed out and anxious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't never tell what's a troll post versus not.

This certainly seems like a troll post.

Are you being ironic??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume this is a spoof?

My oldest was so stressed in 12th grade he had a breakdown. Did he cheat? NO.

That you know of.

What sort of comment is this? Are we assuming every teen cheats now?

DS has a very hard time telling lies, and tells the truth even when it gets him into trouble. I wish he'd lie better.

So no, he didn't cheat.

Oh boy. Parents like you fall the hardest. Yes, even your angel is capable of cheating.