DEI at Michigan--NYT article

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Anonymous wrote:DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

It's really not. It is just being implemented at the department level rather than campus wide. This is so universities can receive less lawsuits

-R1 Professor.

Did you even read the article?? Yes, schools are massaging their current programs to avoid lawsuits post SFFA , but the point is that the tide has turned on these silly DEI programs with their focus on virtue signaling nonsense and minutiae - expensive programs that are ultimately ineffective and leave everyone feeling less connected.

Fwiw personally, I am a huge proponent of DEI but NOT DEI programs as currently practiced in corporate America.

DP. What is your suggestion to solve the issue of racism?

Equitable pre K for education for all.

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^^ pre k - 12

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad article for Michigan. Glad my kid chose a selective private. This is the stuff that happens when politics take precedence over scholarship.

Terrible.

You get the award for biggest idiot on this thread

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I can't help but think black students would've been better served had UMich used that money to build high-quality public high schools in Detroit.

DEI has done nothing but enrich a cohort of administrators.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but think black students would've been better served had UMich used that money to build high-quality public high schools in Detroit.

DEI has done nothing but enrich a cohort of administrators.

Exactly. And the trainers who run the trainings for these DEI programs. It is a business, just like anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

I read it and stopped when I saw that crap.

Invalidated the whole thing.

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There must be a conversation. Ignoring the issue will never solve anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "Heritage Foundation study."

Talk about a group that has an agenda.

So this is what has become of the Times.
Thanks, OP. You seem to be busy this morning with your outrage theater.

+1 million

Two people who didn’t read the article.

I read reputable studies.
That is not the Heritage Foundation. I know them.
I'm not interested in wasting my time.

The Heritage study is one paragraph in the middle of reams of original reporting. You clearly didn't RTFA so you have nothing to add.

I read it and stopped when I saw that crap.

Invalidated the whole thing.

How would you know?

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. $250 million on DEI bullcrap. Imagine how many scholarships that money could have paid for, how many professors' salaries or research initiatives. What a waste.

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+1

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Anonymous wrote:There must be a conversation. Ignoring the issue will never solve anything.

What has DEI done to solve racism? Or move the needle at all?

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Anonymous wrote:There must be a conversation. Ignoring the issue will never solve anything.

What has DEI done to solve racism? Or move the needle at all?

When many laws were created by white people to exclude all POC at one time or another, and most white people to this day still self-segregate their home lives at least to some degree, how do white people expect things to change? Current DEI policies might not be the answer, but can we discuss some type of other solution that will improve the SES and opportunities of all POC, which will actually solve these inequalities?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad article for Michigan. Glad my kid chose a selective private. This is the stuff that happens when politics take precedence over scholarship.

Terrible.

Lol hopefully not Syracuse, BC, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Duke, or Wake Forest, all of which have more DEI personnel per 100 core faculty than the average university in the study.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There must be a conversation. Ignoring the issue will never solve anything.

What has DEI done to solve racism? Or move the needle at all?

When many laws were created by white people to exclude all POC at one time or another, and most white people to this day still self-segregate their home lives at least to some degree, how do white people expect things to change? Current DEI policies might not be the answer, but can we discuss some type of other solution that will improve the SES and opportunities of all POC, which will actually solve these inequalities?

Hold on there, cowboy. You are blaming all this self-segregation on only one race. I dare you to find a designated whites-only dorm like the Chocolate City at MIT for blacks only. Here in the DMV, PG is very self-segregated as a M/M wealthy black county.

I don't know what the answer is, but DEI isn't it. I would say that experiment caused hate to ramp up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There must be a conversation. Ignoring the issue will never solve anything.

What has DEI done to solve racism? Or move the needle at all?

When many laws were created by white people to exclude all POC at one time or another, and most white people to this day still self-segregate their home lives at least to some degree, how do white people expect things to change? Current DEI policies might not be the answer, but can we discuss some type of other solution that will improve the SES and opportunities of all POC, which will actually solve these inequalities?

Hold on there, cowboy. You are blaming all this self-segregation on only one race. I dare you to find a designated whites-only dorm like the Chocolate City at MIT for blacks only. Here in the DMV, PG is very self-segregated as a M/M wealthy black county.

I don't know what the answer is, but DEI isn't it. I would say that experiment caused hate to ramp up.

No, the vile racists on the right caused it to ramp up.