Kid didn’t finish MAP-R?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid would often take multiple sessions. They were a 99%ile scorer pretty often. The test goes and goes and goes until it feels the kid is out of their depth.

Just as a heads up, NWEA changed their algorithms this year on the MAP tests. Their algorithms now emphasize grade level standards and curriculum. This means that if I child is in sixth grade for instance, they're going to get A LOT of sixth grade questions. More so than before where it was just straight up ability/knowledge of the student with no limit to being given higher grade level questions. Because of this focus on grade-level material, there is less opportunity for children who generally test higher to get tougher, above grade level questions, resulting in lower scores.

My child had their MAP-R test this week. They normally score 98-99th percentile. They said the screen to log in noticeably said "grade 6" with everyone's names when it never was linked to a grade level before. The test they said was noticeably easier, yet their score dropped about ten points. Everyone in the school was upset, many were crying, and it was the talk of lunch because everyone's scores dropped dramatically (many had drops of 17 points, over 20 points, etc). These kids were those who were scoring very high on MAP-R, had been in CES and/or enrichment the previous year.

It looks like the algorithm change also impacts MAP-M. My child has not finished, but they score 99th percentile and they said the questions were a lot easier than they normally are, and that so far, they were all 6th grade level questions or thereabouts (pythagorean theorem, interquartile ranges, dividing fractions, etc). They kept waiting to get trigonometry questions, like they got last spring, but it hasn't gotten any harder yet. So we anticipate that math scores will go down as well.

Just be prepared if your child's score drops, as it isn't necessarily their effort as much as the algorithm changes now being used by NWEA.

https://njgifted.org/understanding-nwea-maprit-scores/
https://ecragroup.com/2024/05/02/nwea-map-growth-assessment-changes-for-the-2024-2025-school-year/#:~:text=NWEA%20has%20changed%20its%20item,by%20the%20current%20test%20version.

Just wondering if the scores go down for everyone does it mean that percentiles are recalculated? Or the same score to percentile chart still applies?

Scores don't go down for "everyone". They go down for the 99+% ile students who no longer will get off-the-charts RIT scores. They will still get 99%ile, which is the highest officially reported score. It will created a soft score ceiling by grade, eliminating the "reward" for being tears ahead in marh.

(The unofficial nweapercentilecalculator was never accurate, because MAP scores are based on item difficulty level, not bell-curved.)

What are you talking about? A drop of 10,15,20 points will of course reflect a drop in percentile.

Ooh, please explain how exactly this would work.

You can see for yourself
https://teach.mapnwea.org/impl/NormsTables.pdf


Suppose a kid scored 237 on reading in the spring of 4th grade. That is 98th percentile. The same kid now scores 227 (drop of 10 points). The percentile for that in 5th grade is 87th.
Of course if someone is scoring 280 and drops 10 points they are not effected and remain in the 99th percentile.

But it's only 87th percentile if you are using the old tables based on old results. If everybody's scores are dropping then percentiles remain the same.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid would often take multiple sessions. They were a 99%ile scorer pretty often. The test goes and goes and goes until it feels the kid is out of their depth.

Just as a heads up, NWEA changed their algorithms this year on the MAP tests. Their algorithms now emphasize grade level standards and curriculum. This means that if I child is in sixth grade for instance, they're going to get A LOT of sixth grade questions. More so than before where it was just straight up ability/knowledge of the student with no limit to being given higher grade level questions. Because of this focus on grade-level material, there is less opportunity for children who generally test higher to get tougher, above grade level questions, resulting in lower scores.

My child had their MAP-R test this week. They normally score 98-99th percentile. They said the screen to log in noticeably said "grade 6" with everyone's names when it never was linked to a grade level before. The test they said was noticeably easier, yet their score dropped about ten points. Everyone in the school was upset, many were crying, and it was the talk of lunch because everyone's scores dropped dramatically (many had drops of 17 points, over 20 points, etc). These kids were those who were scoring very high on MAP-R, had been in CES and/or enrichment the previous year.

It looks like the algorithm change also impacts MAP-M. My child has not finished, but they score 99th percentile and they said the questions were a lot easier than they normally are, and that so far, they were all 6th grade level questions or thereabouts (pythagorean theorem, interquartile ranges, dividing fractions, etc). They kept waiting to get trigonometry questions, like they got last spring, but it hasn't gotten any harder yet. So we anticipate that math scores will go down as well.

Just be prepared if your child's score drops, as it isn't necessarily their effort as much as the algorithm changes now being used by NWEA.

https://njgifted.org/understanding-nwea-maprit-scores/
https://ecragroup.com/2024/05/02/nwea-map-growth-assessment-changes-for-the-2024-2025-school-year/#:~:text=NWEA%20has%20changed%20its%20item,by%20the%20current%20test%20version.

Just wondering if the scores go down for everyone does it mean that percentiles are recalculated? Or the same score to percentile chart still applies?

Scores don't go down for "everyone". They go down for the 99+% ile students who no longer will get off-the-charts RIT scores. They will still get 99%ile, which is the highest officially reported score. It will created a soft score ceiling by grade, eliminating the "reward" for being tears ahead in marh.

(The unofficial nweapercentilecalculator was never accurate, because MAP scores are based on item difficulty level, not bell-curved.)

What are you talking about? A drop of 10,15,20 points will of course reflect a drop in percentile.

Ooh, please explain how exactly this would work.

You can see for yourself
https://teach.mapnwea.org/impl/NormsTables.pdf


Suppose a kid scored 237 on reading in the spring of 4th grade. That is 98th percentile. The same kid now scores 227 (drop of 10 points). The percentile for that in 5th grade is 87th.
Of course if someone is scoring 280 and drops 10 points they are not effected and remain in the 99th percentile.

But it's only 87th percentile if you are using the old tables based on old results. If everybody's scores are dropping then percentiles remain the same.

New tables are not available yet.

[Anonymous]

Right… and therefore you have no clue whose percentiles are dropping…

[Anonymous]

My 7th grader is taking MAP-R and acc to him the students who finished are reporting lower than normal scores. 215, 217, 220 etc. So definitely something has changed. This is at a W feeder middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right… and therefore you have no clue whose percentiles are dropping…

But that just means that the they will use the same table

[Anonymous]

I assume they pilot tested the new versions of this in order to develop the RIT scores so the national percentiles should be available….

[Anonymous]

Interesting… here is NWEA’s analysis of the new algorithm — https://www.nwea.org/uploads/Research-MAP-Growth-with-enhanced-item-selection-algorithm-updates-on-score-compatibility_NWEA_Research_Guide.pdf

They find minor differences in the RIT and not the dramatic shifts PPs are reporting

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Anonymous wrote:My kid would often take multiple sessions. They were a 99%ile scorer pretty often. The test goes and goes and goes until it feels the kid is out of their depth.

So if a child finishes test early, does that means it is more likely low scores? The longer tests you take, the higher the scores?

No—there is a specific number of questions.

No, there are typically 35 to 45 questions. It's not the same number for every kid.

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Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

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Anonymous wrote:Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

Because those at the top and bottom get floor and ceiling effects. These tests are diagnostic to help teachers know how to best support kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

Because those at the top and bottom get floor and ceiling effects. These tests are diagnostic to help teachers know how to best support kids.

big deal. they won't report anything above 99th anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

Because those at the top and bottom get floor and ceiling effects. These tests are diagnostic to help teachers know how to best support kids.

big deal. they won't report anything above 99th anyway.

Percentile. But the range of scores qualifying at 99th could range all the way up to 300…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

Because those at the top and bottom get floor and ceiling effects. These tests are diagnostic to help teachers know how to best support kids.

Just throw in some AMC10 problems and a couple of really basic additions and there will be no floor/ceiling effects.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adaptive tests are garbage. What happened to everyone getting the same questions?

Because those at the top and bottom get floor and ceiling effects. These tests are diagnostic to help teachers know how to best support kids.

big deal. they won't report anything above 99th anyway.

Percentile. But the range of scores qualifying at 99th could range all the way up to 300…

But we are constantly lectured that those mean nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader is taking MAP-R and acc to him the students who finished are reporting lower than normal scores. 215, 217, 220 etc. So definitely something has changed. This is at a W feeder middle school.

How much lower? What are the percentiles?
What percentile is
214 is 50%ile on 2020 norms.
220 is 64%ile

https://sites.google.com/view/nweapercentilecalculator