William & Mary admission rates

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Anonymous wrote:OOS DD (MCPS, non-W school), full IB +4 APs, 3.98/4.86, 1430 SAT, 33 ACT, several solid arts/community ECs (deep and dedicated but no stellar achievements) and some school clubs, small leadership roles in a few.

College Vine has W&M as a Target, with odds of 65%. Sound reasonable? Looking at museum studies/art history, with a chemistry minor.

Sounds right to me. PP above. DD’s stats are lower and CollegeVine gives her a 56% chance - higher if ED, which we can’t afford to do. My research suggests your kid will get in - most likely if female and most certainly if male.

Honestly, if not hooked you can't safely call W&M or UVA "targets" any longer. I know Ivy kids who didn't get into either. Go to College Confidential and read the bios of the rejected and waitlisted students at W&M for a humbling experience. The SCHEV statistics for both are very high which is why Virginians, in particular, and OOS students who read SCHEV self-select out of even applying to the two schools. For example, last year's incoming class at W&M reported a 4.53 gpa, a 1510 SAT and a 34 ACT at the 75th percentile meaning 25% had higher stats. The median had a 4.36, a 1450 and a 33. This is why our public high school counselor told us there was no point in DC applying to W&M or UVA and to look to the other VA publics, which we did. An application to W&M would have been unrealistic, especially when compared to the high-fliers DD would have been compared to our nova public. This is why you cannot compare selectivity numbers of public schools to private. They are entirely different applicant classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

SCHEV will tell you the answer to your question:

For the 2023-2024 admissions year:

FCPS (Fairfax) had a 41.6% acceptance rate. Compare that to the other FCPS1 (Fauquier), which was only a 25% acceptance rate and there goes the theory that Fairfax students have it worse.

The FCPS students have much higher stats across the board than Fauquier.

48 fauquier students applied. 2,010 fairfax students applied. Do you have any proof that the 2010th fairfax student has much higher stats than the 48th fauquier student? Or for that matter the 1,005th fairfax student is that much stronger than the 24th fauquier student? Or are you just speaking out your butt?

Or maybe even a better question, do you have any proof that the 838th student in fairfax (the first one that didn't make it) was a better student than the 13th student in fauquier? If you really believe that, you really need to venture out of your bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in VA, just trying to understand how competitive it is to get in. I'm seeing in-state/out-of-state admission rates for W&M as 39%/28%, which doesn't seem terrible. But the reputation in this forum is that it's a super tough admission. Is that because there's so much competition among the NOVA kids?

Interested in paying $70k for an OOS public?
https://www.wm.edu/admission/tuition/

OP here. I'm aware of the cost. We're not eligible for need-based aid anywhere, so as far as I'm concerned, $70k at W&M beats $90k elsewhere. Also, it's a longshot, but I'm hoping my kid might be a contender for one of the 1693 scholarships.

1693 scholarships are very rare - only 8 a year.

As I said, a long shot, but you can't score if you don't shoot. :p

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Anonymous wrote:Probably. Do you have a son or daughter? If son, more likely to be accepted as the gender balance is out of whack.

That’s nearly all schools. Not just W&M. Look at the gender numbers at other schools, too. More women are pursuing higher education than men.

I think engineering is still dominated by boys.

Men. Boys don't attent college. Men do.

Yes and women go too....tired of constantly hearing women referred to as girls.

oh ffs go to hell, a 17 yr old an 18 yr old is RIGHTfULLY referred to as a "girl" or a "boy" it is not belittling. Get your head out of your arse.

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Anonymous wrote:Only a handful of 1693 scholarships, advantage in going ED1 or ED2, sign-up for an interview with admissions. Boys have about an 8% advantage in admissions.

Competitive admission, will most likely need over 1450 on SAT and 4.3+ on GPA.

This is interesting. Their website says the interview is with a current student and that it has no bearing on whether or not a kid is admitted. (My kid is signed up for the "shadow" day and not the interview, but maybe they should sign up for both?)

W&M tracks demonstrated interest, so yes, sign up for both

NP and my VA kid is very interested in W&M, has done a campus visit and is applying ED1. Has not signed up for interview due to social anxiety and doesn’t feel it will be an advantage.
But doesn’t applying ED 1 show “demonstrated interest” enough since ED applicants are committing to attend if admitted?
Or should I still encourage DC to do an interview?

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You are fine without an interview when applying ED. If you don't think an interview would be a positive addition to your application, I wouldn't do it.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

But UVA is more selective at 19% of applicants offered admission whereas W&M's selectivity rate is 32% Further broken down you can see that only 12% of in-state applicants get into UVA. The stats figures you cite go to quality of student, which, indeed, are close. But the selectivity percentages show UVA is more difficult to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

But UVA is more selective at 19% of applicants offered admission whereas W&M's selectivity rate is 32% Further broken down you can see that only 12% of in-state applicants get into UVA. The stats figures you cite go to quality of student, which, indeed, are close. But the selectivity percentages show UVA is more difficult to get into.

New poster. Focusing so heavily on the overall admissions rate is unhelpful to the applicant. Look at Colby and Northeastern. The extraordinary admissions rate tells you more about how they have successfully marketed themselves and increased applications than about how hard it is for a very high achieving student to get in.

PP's point is that the achievements of accepted students are similar, implying that a 4.4 GPA/1450 SAT might have the same likelihood of being accepted. I would love stats on this question but we are unlikely to find them except through Naviance -- and then we'd have to have posters share school stats. What we do know is that the peer group at both schools is similarly high achieving.

I am from the Northeast and my oldest is at UVA so I am in no way a W&M booster.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

But UVA is more selective at 19% of applicants offered admission whereas W&M's selectivity rate is 32% Further broken down you can see that only 12% of in-state applicants get into UVA. The stats figures you cite go to quality of student, which, indeed, are close. But the selectivity percentages show UVA is more difficult to get into.

UVA’s overall in-state acceptance rate is 25.5%.

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2024/03/2023-2024-uva-admission-statistics.html

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I think a lot of kids don't apply because they don't have an early action option. They have their own essays and it's a lot of work for a school that many aren't sure is their first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS DD (MCPS, non-W school), full IB +4 APs, 3.98/4.86, 1430 SAT, 33 ACT, several solid arts/community ECs (deep and dedicated but no stellar achievements) and some school clubs, small leadership roles in a few.

College Vine has W&M as a Target, with odds of 65%. Sound reasonable? Looking at museum studies/art history, with a chemistry minor.

My DS is a sophomore at W&M and was full IB at his FCPS high school - probably similar demographics to your MCPS non-W school. DS had two C's on his transcript (C's were from the 20-21 school year when he was online for 3/4 of the year) and applied TO during the Regular Decision round. I remember as he was anxiously awaiting the decision, the college counselor told him "not to worry." This is specific to our high school, but the counselor said that from the last five+ years, every single full IB student that applied to W&M was admitted - that they LOVE full IB students.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

But UVA is more selective at 19% of applicants offered admission whereas W&M's selectivity rate is 32% Further broken down you can see that only 12% of in-state applicants get into UVA. The stats figures you cite go to quality of student, which, indeed, are close. But the selectivity percentages show UVA is more difficult to get into.

UVA’s overall in-state acceptance rate is 25.5%.

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2024/03/2023-2024-uva-admission-statistics.html

Lol people just straight up making up numbers on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS DD (MCPS, non-W school), full IB +4 APs, 3.98/4.86, 1430 SAT, 33 ACT, several solid arts/community ECs (deep and dedicated but no stellar achievements) and some school clubs, small leadership roles in a few.

College Vine has W&M as a Target, with odds of 65%. Sound reasonable? Looking at museum studies/art history, with a chemistry minor.

My DS is a sophomore at W&M and was full IB at his FCPS high school - probably similar demographics to your MCPS non-W school. DS had two C's on his transcript (C's were from the 20-21 school year when he was online for 3/4 of the year) and applied TO during the Regular Decision round. I remember as he was anxiously awaiting the decision, the college counselor told him "not to worry." This is specific to our high school, but the counselor said that from the last five+ years, every single full IB student that applied to W&M was admitted - that they LOVE full IB students.

They might love to admit IB kids but they sure don't like giving them college credits, at least that was our experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

Right. Because more kids apply to UVA. Which is what I said. But Looking at SCHEV, the stats of admitted students are almost identical for GPA, SAT and ACT for UVA and WM. And plenty of kids apply to both but only get into one— UVA wants more well rounded, and WM is a great place for pointy kids. They look for different things. But their median GPAs are about .02 apart.

But UVA is more selective at 19% of applicants offered admission whereas W&M's selectivity rate is 32% Further broken down you can see that only 12% of in-state applicants get into UVA. The stats figures you cite go to quality of student, which, indeed, are close. But the selectivity percentages show UVA is more difficult to get into.

UVA’s overall in-state acceptance rate is 25.5%.

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2024/03/2023-2024-uva-admission-statistics.html

Lol people just straight up making up numbers on this thread.

Always. 🤣