If you live in an accepting community, does the intolerance in other areas scare you?

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Anonymous wrote:This would be not like spending a weekend in St. Michaels bc Baltimore has too much crime...

This.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother and his husband travel all the time. They've felt very welcome in the parts of Florida they go to (LongBoat Key/Sarasota area, Miami, and Key West) . They wouldn't live in a state that overall wasn't LGBQT+ positive but traveling to specific areas in the South and Midwest have never been problematic and they've never felt unsafe.

Nearly all the laws are targeting transgender people so your gay brother wouldn’t experience that in Florida. The exception would be if he was still in high school and was in FL or tried to be a teacher because then don’t say gay would prevent discussion of his husband while allowing straight teachers to freely discuss their partners. Because talking about having a same sex partner makes kids gay apparently.

Even if I could travel there without concern, why would I spend money supporting a state that treats LGBT people that way????

Oh, maybe because tax dollars get used for 90 million other things. Do you also grow your own food, weave your own fabric, cut your own lumber, build your own house because you don’t want to take the chance of “supporting” someone whose views are different than yours? Because even though a lot of people aren’t outwardly hostile towards LGBTQ, they aren’t super woke about it either.

I don’t understand the whole rant you just went on. If a state is not supportive of gay teachers and someone would rather go elsewhere why do you care?

If a trans person doesn’t want to go to FL because the state makes it a criminal offense to use the bathroom at the airport why do you care?

What does this have to do with cutting down trees? There are other states that people can travel to.

What I am trying to say is that no matter where you live or visit, you live in a society that consists of a mix of different views and opinions. There is no way you aren’t already in some way “supporting” people whose views differ from yours, whenever you purchase any goods or services.

As a gay resident of Northern Virginia, it’s just laughable when I hear some NYC bubble-dweller talk about how scared they are of Virginia and could never go there because of this or that. It comes across as very stupid.

As for Florida, it isn’t worth going to anyways

What you're describing as individual views and opinions on people that are bigoted towards queer people because they don't understand us and people not going to Florida because of laws that systemically marginalize people are very different. If the SCOTUS makes sodomy laws legal again, would you be first on a plane to have sex with your husband or boyfriend in Texas? 99.99999% chance you're fine but then that .00001 was Lawrence V Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother and his husband travel all the time. They've felt very welcome in the parts of Florida they go to (LongBoat Key/Sarasota area, Miami, and Key West) . They wouldn't live in a state that overall wasn't LGBQT+ positive but traveling to specific areas in the South and Midwest have never been problematic and they've never felt unsafe.

Nearly all the laws are targeting transgender people so your gay brother wouldn’t experience that in Florida. The exception would be if he was still in high school and was in FL or tried to be a teacher because then don’t say gay would prevent discussion of his husband while allowing straight teachers to freely discuss their partners. Because talking about having a same sex partner makes kids gay apparently.

Even if I could travel there without concern, why would I spend money supporting a state that treats LGBT people that way????

Oh, maybe because tax dollars get used for 90 million other things. Do you also grow your own food, weave your own fabric, cut your own lumber, build your own house because you don’t want to take the chance of “supporting” someone whose views are different than yours? Because even though a lot of people aren’t outwardly hostile towards LGBTQ, they aren’t super woke about it either.

I don’t understand the whole rant you just went on. If a state is not supportive of gay teachers and someone would rather go elsewhere why do you care?

If a trans person doesn’t want to go to FL because the state makes it a criminal offense to use the bathroom at the airport why do you care?

What does this have to do with cutting down trees? There are other states that people can travel to.

What I am trying to say is that no matter where you live or visit, you live in a society that consists of a mix of different views and opinions. There is no way you aren’t already in some way “supporting” people whose views differ from yours, whenever you purchase any goods or services.

As a gay resident of Northern Virginia, it’s just laughable when I hear some NYC bubble-dweller talk about how scared they are of Virginia and could never go there because of this or that. It comes across as very stupid.

As for Florida, it isn’t worth going to anyways

We are a gay male with kids family. We live in dc. I know lots of people that live in liberal areas of NOVA. Do I think it is generally safe? Of course. Do I think it’s as safe a place to be a gay male parent as DC or New York or Massachusetts or California? Hell no. Your opinion that it makes me stupid is not relevant. Your opinion that it is not as safe, equally irrelevant.

The laws and advancement of proposed laws make it objectively a less safe place to live. Now, you may be fine with the amount less safe that it is. But my husband and I get to determine which risks are tolerable to our family and you get no opinion on that.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother and his husband travel all the time. They've felt very welcome in the parts of Florida they go to (LongBoat Key/Sarasota area, Miami, and Key West) . They wouldn't live in a state that overall wasn't LGBQT+ positive but traveling to specific areas in the South and Midwest have never been problematic and they've never felt unsafe.

Nearly all the laws are targeting transgender people so your gay brother wouldn’t experience that in Florida. The exception would be if he was still in high school and was in FL or tried to be a teacher because then don’t say gay would prevent discussion of his husband while allowing straight teachers to freely discuss their partners. Because talking about having a same sex partner makes kids gay apparently.

Even if I could travel there without concern, why would I spend money supporting a state that treats LGBT people that way????

Oh, maybe because tax dollars get used for 90 million other things. Do you also grow your own food, weave your own fabric, cut your own lumber, build your own house because you don’t want to take the chance of “supporting” someone whose views are different than yours? Because even though a lot of people aren’t outwardly hostile towards LGBTQ, they aren’t super woke about it either.

I don’t understand the whole rant you just went on. If a state is not supportive of gay teachers and someone would rather go elsewhere why do you care?

If a trans person doesn’t want to go to FL because the state makes it a criminal offense to use the bathroom at the airport why do you care?

What does this have to do with cutting down trees? There are other states that people can travel to.

What I am trying to say is that no matter where you live or visit, you live in a society that consists of a mix of different views and opinions. There is no way you aren’t already in some way “supporting” people whose views differ from yours, whenever you purchase any goods or services.

As a gay resident of Northern Virginia, it’s just laughable when I hear some NYC bubble-dweller talk about how scared they are of Virginia and could never go there because of this or that. It comes across as very stupid.

As for Florida, it isn’t worth going to anyways

What you're describing as individual views and opinions on people that are bigoted towards queer people because they don't understand us and people not going to Florida because of laws that systemically marginalize people are very different. If the SCOTUS makes sodomy laws legal again, would you be first on a plane to have sex with your husband or boyfriend in Texas? 99.99999% chance you're fine but then that .00001 was Lawrence V Texas.

I don’t think anybody should be having sex on planes.

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What matters is whether gay partners would be allowed to direct medical care for their partners in the case of a medical emergency while in a given state.

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Anonymous wrote:What matters is whether gay partners would be allowed to direct medical care for their partners in the case of a medical emergency while in a given state.

That is a thing that matters a lot. But it is one of many.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother and his husband travel all the time. They've felt very welcome in the parts of Florida they go to (LongBoat Key/Sarasota area, Miami, and Key West) . They wouldn't live in a state that overall wasn't LGBQT+ positive but traveling to specific areas in the South and Midwest have never been problematic and they've never felt unsafe.

Nearly all the laws are targeting transgender people so your gay brother wouldn’t experience that in Florida. The exception would be if he was still in high school and was in FL or tried to be a teacher because then don’t say gay would prevent discussion of his husband while allowing straight teachers to freely discuss their partners. Because talking about having a same sex partner makes kids gay apparently.

Even if I could travel there without concern, why would I spend money supporting a state that treats LGBT people that way????

Oh, maybe because tax dollars get used for 90 million other things. Do you also grow your own food, weave your own fabric, cut your own lumber, build your own house because you don’t want to take the chance of “supporting” someone whose views are different than yours? Because even though a lot of people aren’t outwardly hostile towards LGBTQ, they aren’t super woke about it either.

I don’t understand the whole rant you just went on. If a state is not supportive of gay teachers and someone would rather go elsewhere why do you care?

If a trans person doesn’t want to go to FL because the state makes it a criminal offense to use the bathroom at the airport why do you care?

What does this have to do with cutting down trees? There are other states that people can travel to.

What I am trying to say is that no matter where you live or visit, you live in a society that consists of a mix of different views and opinions. There is no way you aren’t already in some way “supporting” people whose views differ from yours, whenever you purchase any goods or services.

As a gay resident of Northern Virginia, it’s just laughable when I hear some NYC bubble-dweller talk about how scared they are of Virginia and could never go there because of this or that. It comes across as very stupid.

As for Florida, it isn’t worth going to anyways

We are a gay male with kids family. We live in dc. I know lots of people that live in liberal areas of NOVA. Do I think it is generally safe? Of course. Do I think it’s as safe a place to be a gay male parent as DC or New York or Massachusetts or California? Hell no. Your opinion that it makes me stupid is not relevant. Your opinion that it is not as safe, equally irrelevant.

The laws and advancement of proposed laws make it objectively a less safe place to live. Now, you may be fine with the amount less safe that it is. But my husband and I get to determine which risks are tolerable to our family and you get no opinion on that.

We have rights to our opinions. You don’t have to agree. I’m not telling you what to do. If you are affluent, and I suspect you are, then you are able to live happily in NYC or DC or Boston or SF or wherever makes you happy, and be able to afford a comfortable home and good schools for your kids and a nice lifestyle where you get to enjoy the nice things about being in a city while being relatively insulated from the crime and negative aspects of city living. The gay male couples I personally know with kids are doing very well financially (“big” jobs, family money, that type of thing) compared to the average family, and have never truly been in a position of having to choose between a home they can afford and the ideal neighborhood they would prefer to live in. Living in those cities is not a realistic option for everyone, especially those who are truly middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been with my husband for nearly 25 years. We are rich and white. We have incredible privilege and power. We live in DC.

We’ve considered moving to Boston, San Francisco or San Diego. We own a house in rehoboth. Those are safe places.

I would literally never consider moving to Virginia. And definitely not Florida. It’s unsafe for my family and everyone know it. I don’t want our kids growing up in that environment and I don’t want to live in that environment. So I don’t. That is what power and privilege gets you.

The entire state?! Sorry but statements like this seem so ignorant. It’s like you’re brainwashed.

16:30 here, not the pp you replied to. People always act like you can divorce the blue parts of Florida from the rest of the state. Just because some parts of FL are blue or LGBT friendly doesn't mean that people will feel safe visiting those parts. If that pp does feel safe visiting the blue parts of the state, he and his husband may not want to anyway because it's supporting the state.

Anecdotally, I've been reading stories about even many of the blue areas becoming more hostile but again, that's not a necessity for someone to choose to avoid spending money there.

Well I have actually lived in Miami and to think that gay people are not able to live peacefully is flat out ignorant.