How much can MCPS waste?

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

How are they cheaper with maintenance? They all have moving parts equal and the batteries are expensive. And, to get rid of good buses may not save money.

Diesel buses are crazy expensive to maintain. That’s why it cost MCPS millions to backfill buses when the electric ones weren’t available.

(Maintenance isn’t about the wheels— it’s about the engine)

But electric buses are twice as expensive to buy.

That is why they were offloading the expense to a contractor.

It’s just like if you lease solar panels— you can get them installed for free if you give a chunk of the electricity savings to the installer.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

How are they cheaper with maintenance? They all have moving parts equal and the batteries are expensive. And, to get rid of good buses may not save money.

Diesel buses are crazy expensive to maintain. That’s why it cost MCPS millions to backfill buses when the electric ones weren’t available.

(Maintenance isn’t about the wheels— it’s about the engine)

But electric buses are twice as expensive to buy.

Yes. But capital expenditures like new buses are one budget line and maintenance is a different one. Its very hard to find a lot of revolving maintenance $ year to year.

EVs are not capital expenses. They are being leased out of the Operating Budget.

Diesel buses are purchased EVs are leased.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

The fact that you resort to name calling implies that your arguments are too weak to stand on their own merits. Moreover, the use of this particular slur is even more egregious. Most MCPS critics are not named Karen, and there is no evidence that any on this thread actually bear that name. By calling people who disagree with you “Karens”, you are making it clear that you prefer to be inflammatory to being factual, and that you don’t mind insulting people named Karen (by appropriating their name) to do so.

And no, my name isn’t Karen.

Not at all. It implies the MCPS obsessed Karens (an apt description) will complain about anything and everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

The fact that you resort to name calling implies that your arguments are too weak to stand on their own merits. Moreover, the use of this particular slur is even more egregious. Most MCPS critics are not named Karen, and there is no evidence that any on this thread actually bear that name. By calling people who disagree with you “Karens”, you are making it clear that you prefer to be inflammatory to being factual, and that you don’t mind insulting people named Karen (by appropriating their name) to do so.

And no, my name isn’t Karen.

Not at all. It implies the MCPS obsessed Karens (an apt description) will complain about anything and everything.

How much can MCPS waste before it is OK to care? A billion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

The fact that you resort to name calling implies that your arguments are too weak to stand on their own merits. Moreover, the use of this particular slur is even more egregious. Most MCPS critics are not named Karen, and there is no evidence that any on this thread actually bear that name. By calling people who disagree with you “Karens”, you are making it clear that you prefer to be inflammatory to being factual, and that you don’t mind insulting people named Karen (by appropriating their name) to do so.

And no, my name isn’t Karen.

Not at all. It implies the MCPS obsessed Karens (an apt description) will complain about anything and everything.

How much can MCPS waste before it is OK to care? A billion?

Right. Give us the threshold for incompetence, waste and corruption where it’s appropriate to care. These MCPS apologists are unreal and unserious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

How are they cheaper with maintenance? They all have moving parts equal and the batteries are expensive. And, to get rid of good buses may not save money.

Diesel buses are crazy expensive to maintain. That’s why it cost MCPS millions to backfill buses when the electric ones weren’t available.

(Maintenance isn’t about the wheels— it’s about the engine)

But electric buses are twice as expensive to buy.

Yes. But capital expenditures like new buses are one budget line and maintenance is a different one. Its very hard to find a lot of revolving maintenance $ year to year.

EVs are not capital expenses. They are being leased out of the Operating Budget.

Diesel buses are purchased EVs are leased.

Seems like there's another thread already on this exact topic.

[Anonymous]

No person making over six figs ever has to take responsibility for anything it seems

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

No, they are not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

Prove it. Show how there is no waste of millions. Show that kids are not robbed of an education.
No, they are not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

The fact that you resort to name calling implies that your arguments are too weak to stand on their own merits. Moreover, the use of this particular slur is even more egregious. Most MCPS critics are not named Karen, and there is no evidence that any on this thread actually bear that name. By calling people who disagree with you “Karens”, you are making it clear that you prefer to be inflammatory to being factual, and that you don’t mind insulting people named Karen (by appropriating their name) to do so.

And no, my name isn’t Karen.

Not at all. It implies the MCPS obsessed Karens (an apt description) will complain about anything and everything.

How much can MCPS waste before it is OK to care? A billion?

I'm still angry about $1000 they wasted on bocce!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

No, they are not

The people obsessing about this minutiae seem a little unhinged. MCPS is a large schools system with a massive budget something are bound to wrong but 99% it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

No, they are not

The people obsessing about this minutiae seem a little unhinged. MCPS is a large schools system with a massive budget something are bound to wrong but 99% it doesn't.

What are you basing your claim that 99% of things in MCPS go correct in MCPS on? You have got to be kidding me with that wildly off-the-mark and unsubstantiated claim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

No, they are not

The people obsessing about this minutiae seem a little unhinged. MCPS is a large schools system with a massive budget something are bound to wrong but 99% it doesn't.

Hi, the Inspector General reprimanding MCPS for spending millions of dollars it shouldn't have had to spend and failing to fine a a vendor for hundreds of thousands of dollars it should have fined its vendor for missed deadlines on is not "obsessing about minutiae."

How do you not grasp how big of a deal this is? I don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently electric buses was a waste. Read the news.

Electric buses are cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance— they just cost more upfront. That’s why MCPS was able to find a contractor who said they would front the upfront costs in return for long term savings. It was a win-win, unless you think MCPS should have kept the long term savings for themselves.

Now the IG is reporting the contractor might have difficulties supplying the buses, maybe because demand is so high. That’s not great but it doesn’t tell me anything about whether the original decision was reasonable or if the delay will cost MCPS anything.

But the people who hate MCPS (or more likely hate all public schools) just throw crap against the wall because they don’t need to have an intelligent discussion they just need to complain.

Tell us you didn’t read the report.

NP here
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/07/electric-school-buses-led-to-millions-in-wasteful-spending-montgomery-co-ig-says/

According to the article, the problem wasn't the electric bus contract itself, but the failure of the vendor to provide the busses on time and in good condition. There was a subsequent failure on MCPS part to not follow up on contract penalties of $372,000, which I would agree was wasteful. In the short term, MCPS may have spent more than they would have if they purchased diesel busses, but in the long term they should still show a cost savings.

I don't think the order of 90 diesel school buses for $14.7 million can be counted as "wasteful" - they have to purchase new busses periodically. The reason for diesel instead of electric for that order was the shortage of electric busses.

Thank you! Someone actually read and comprehended.

These MCPS karens won't read anything and are just looking to point fingers. It's how they fill their empty lives.

The Inspector General is just looking to point fingers?

The MCPS defenders don’t do well with common sense and logic.

Nor do the MCPS obsessed Karens who complain about anything and everything.

Except people complaining are hoping to motivate improvement in the system. The people who insist that MCPS is a stellar school system are just engaging in self-delusion to comfort themselves.

No, they are not

The people obsessing about this minutiae seem a little unhinged. MCPS is a large schools system with a massive budget something are bound to wrong but 99% it doesn't.

Hi, the Inspector General reprimanding MCPS for spending millions of dollars it shouldn't have had to spend and failing to fine a a vendor for hundreds of thousands of dollars it should have fined its vendor for missed deadlines on is not "obsessing about minutiae."

How do you not grasp how big of a deal this is? I don't get it.

They grasp it. They just want it swept under the rug so all the other grift and waste isn't found.