The world is not governed by God, but by physics. We know this much.
Sometimes, according to some people, God intervenes. I am one of those people. Something, I can’t explain what, has worked in my life at very specific times and I call this entity God. Even though really terrible things have happened I still believe in God. |
When God created humans they lived the ultimate life - no worries , sickness or pain. Once sin was introduced, that all changed and sickness was a new part of life. God tells us that He will be with us in trouble. That means life on earth won't be perfect, but He will comfort us, if we seek Him. |
Aren't there two schools of thought on this? One where God has a daily hand in lives and one where he doesn't? |
My personal belief is that God has no say in who gets cancer and who doesn’t since we have free will. His job is to either let us in heaven or send us to hell. |
WTF... what does free will have to do with it? Who choses cancer? Seriously, people... |
First off, this question, the question of suffering (and evil) is one of the toughest questions for Christianity, so you are not alone in raising this. It has been written about over and over from different angles by different theologians. If are looking for an answer, start with some books, not here.
Here are some personal thoughts on this issue. First, Christianity looks at suffering through a very different lens than secular society. In Christianity, suffering is redemptive. Part of the reason Jesus has to die (as someone asked) is precisely to show us the power of obedience and suffering. So I think for the faithful, they view tragic events differently, or aspire to. They try to focus on the love in the situation, and the grief, while real, is an extension of that love. Second is the idea that whatever suffering there is in this world will pale in comparison to the glory of heaven. We feel suffering and evil acutely because this world is all we know and anything that shatters our lives in this world feels catastrophic. However, this is not how God sees things. It is like if your 2 year old needs to have some procedure, it might feel like the end of the world for him, but you as the parent know that the small pain is worth it because it will make him healthier in the long run. We don't have the long view but God does. Third is the idea that God does not create any of the evil or suffering. He allows it, which might be a small distinction but it is an important one. And he only allows suffering and evil when it would ultimately bring about a greater good. I find the parent analogy really apt here. A good parent would never cause harm or suffering to their child but might allow a certain amount of suffering in order to bring about a greater good (natural consequences, for example, or to learn value of hard work etc). |
Thank you for taking the time to explain it. It makes a little bit more sense. |
. I can think of no good reason a benevolent God would allow children to suffer, from cancer, abuse or war. None at all. If such a Gif exists, why worship them. Wake up, |
+1. There is no god. |
I completely reject that any of it is for a greater good. Nope.
I take comfort in the idea that as Jesus, God suffered like us. There's also a Madeleine L'engle bit (essay? poem?) where she thinks about Jesus's descent to hell as a time where he went and gathered all the babies Herod had killed in Egypt after his birth. He may have chosen, or accepted, his death, but they didn't. There's no sense in any of it, but not being alone is comforting. I'm not sure how far that would carry me if my own kids got sick - maybe not at all. |
Here is a question for you. Why do YOU allow any suffering in the world? |
I am the poster you were responding to and I don't believe God wills cancer. I believe in free will. So therefore, I believe that cancer is not FROM GOD. Its from the world and obtained through genetics and environment. It is not a positive force. It is related to death. God can accept a loving child in heaven but I don't believe in a lot of direct intervention in this world except through passing of positive energy. Hope that clears it up. Maybe that is more of a Hindu explanation, but to me it makes sense being a Christian. He allows free will and instructs us to care for the sick. So the caring and the accepting into heaven is God's will. |
This came up a few posts ago as well, but there was a great line in one of the holocaust movies where a jew said God is dead and humankind killed him. Meaning we bring God to live through our actions and that our actions are related to each generation before and after. |
Look at it this way: God chose to die for you rather than live without you! |
Once in a long while, a true wisdom such as the above appears. Bravo! |