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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing"  are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

[b]We need sensible tools for classroom safety[/b], including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.[/quote]

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

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SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new. [/quote]

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.[/quote]

No, SRO's were given backup and offices. They were removed from disciplining children because that is not their job, they are only involved in crimes. You ask any SRO who is trying to build relationships with teens if they are glad to not be involved in discipline each and everyone will tell you it's an improvement.

I not only work in schools, but my H is a cop.

Our experience is W schools won't even let cops in the school so their statistics look better and they are more likely to get parents to agree to therapy instead of discipline.

yes, variability is an issue, but a W school kid has drugs, they call the parents and the parents get a therapist involved quickly... looks good in the courts too.

We need to stop moving kids around schools, if they can't go to their home school, move them to an alternative school or homeschool.

Sheinbein who is a perfect example, went to W school, was a huge problem, moved to a downcounty school.

We need to stop wringing hands over a kid that is rude and focus on kids who are dangerous.  [/quote]

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