Changes coming to universities’ obsession with DEI?

[Anonymous]

Sleight of hand like when African Americans stopped voting Republican and started voting Democrat. That did not just happen organically.

There is a huge effort to swing Jewish voters over to conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

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Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

There are absolutely paid spin masters on DCUM but mostly just regular people. That said I also see a thread being woven and feel like it is too consistent to be just regular people. I'm 60ish years old and seen bald faced antisemitism since I was little. It was never the granola/hippie/coexist crowd. This idea that those "progressives" are the real bigots has been recent. Less than 10 years? And it does feel like it is connected to the elections.

I'm not a social scientist. I don't have survey data. I'm just an old guy wondering why people I've learned to not trust are now acting like they are (and have been) my true friends all along.

It smells funny. I don't know what it is but I do know it wasn't there before.

The only ones I’ve seen carrying tiki torches and yelling “Jews will not replace us” are white supremacists and white nationalists. I.e the extreme right wing lunatics NOT progressives.

Antisemitism in the US has for some time been a predominantly left wing and frankly black phenomenon. Conservative rural whites are the LEAST likely to believe the Holocaust was a myth.

Look at page 103

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf#page=83

Wow!!!

A link to dox DCUM readers and the kind of spin you only see from olympic gymnastics. I feel like you just served up a baked potato with cheese and butter and bacon bits and chives.

Anything else you want to throw in there? Something about transsexuals or that pizza place?

I haven't read the document in the link but it is somewhat known that blacks aren't necessarily friends to the Jews. This has been going on for quite some time. I dated a Jewish guy in college 30 years ago and remember him talking about that fact. Heck, even much, much prior to 10/7 there are posts on this here message board talking about how Blacks aren't necessarily friends to Jewish people. This isn't spin at all.

DEI isn't all 100% bad or all 100% good. It's not necessarily a bad thing - dare I say it's a good thing - to have our organizations be more inclusive of all diversities.

The bads I see with DEI are it's Hierarchies of Oppression and overly focusing on group identities rather than individuals. To improve DEI, people must face some hard truths - truths they may not want to hear - about DEI in order to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

There are absolutely paid spin masters on DCUM but mostly just regular people. That said I also see a thread being woven and feel like it is too consistent to be just regular people. I'm 60ish years old and seen bald faced antisemitism since I was little. It was never the granola/hippie/coexist crowd. This idea that those "progressives" are the real bigots has been recent. Less than 10 years? And it does feel like it is connected to the elections.

I'm not a social scientist. I don't have survey data. I'm just an old guy wondering why people I've learned to not trust are now acting like they are (and have been) my true friends all along.

It smells funny. I don't know what it is but I do know it wasn't there before.

The only ones I’ve seen carrying tiki torches and yelling “Jews will not replace us” are white supremacists and white nationalists. I.e the extreme right wing lunatics NOT progressives.

Antisemitism in the US has for some time been a predominantly left wing and frankly black phenomenon. Conservative rural whites are the LEAST likely to believe the Holocaust was a myth.

Look at page 103

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf#page=83

Wow!!!

A link to dox DCUM readers and the kind of spin you only see from olympic gymnastics. I feel like you just served up a baked potato with cheese and butter and bacon bits and chives.

Anything else you want to throw in there? Something about transsexuals or that pizza place?

I haven't read the document in the link but it is somewhat known that blacks aren't necessarily friends to the Jews. This has been going on for quite some time. I dated a Jewish guy in college 30 years ago and remember him talking about that fact. Heck, even much, much prior to 10/7 there are posts on this here message board talking about how Blacks aren't necessarily friends to Jewish people. This isn't spin at all.

DEI isn't all 100% bad or all 100% good. It's not necessarily a bad thing - dare I say it's a good thing - to have our organizations be more inclusive of all diversities.

The bads I see with DEI are it's Hierarchies of Oppression and overly focusing on group identities rather than individuals. To improve DEI, people must face some hard truths - truths they may not want to hear - about DEI in order to fix it.

And.i went to college with a Jewish guy from NYC. He spent all of his time with black students because he grew up in a mostly black neighborhood.

Your anecdote is true to you. Mine to me. There are groups of blacks that definitely aren't friendly to Jews but there are also blacks that practice Judaism. Heck, the most successful rapper out there is a black Jewish. So don't think there is some easy sorting of who is a friend and who is a foe.

[Anonymous]

I think DEI is not the issue but how it’s implemented. I think in order for kids to learn and appreciate diversity, they need to take risks and have discussions. And ask questions. I rather someone ask me about my culture vs make assumptions. Kids (and adults) are scared to say anything for fear of offending others. I read this article from a teen and I think he makes a good point: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-10/los-angeles-high-school-cancel-culture-free-speech. Even professors are venting online. Again-I think it’s important. But even professors are questioning how it’s implemented. And of course the right wingers then seize the opportunity to use DEI to say the left isn’t tolerant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots period.

Why are Maga uneducated see some of the posts above.

Don’t want DEI send your kid to liberty

I don’t want preachers on campus anymore I don’t want orgs like young life on campus any more. I don’t want Christmas activities. I don’t want professors that pontificate Bible crap at large state universities like University of Florida or at NC state or …,

I hope you are an ignorant kid home from college trolling . . . and not a parent. if the latter, you need help. like starting to actually read a legit newspaper and learn sources and not repeat liberal crap you hear somewhere ... repeat without thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really amazing to me how conservatives can attack DEI as being an infringement on the need for unfettered free speech on campus and then also attack it on the grounds that the speech of people opposed to the civilian deaths in Gaza must be limited to avoid harming Jewish students.

And if you try to point that out they make some entirely unsupported claim about how they are being consistent it’s just the universities that weren’t.

I mean I would almost give you props if it wasn’t that you have huge piles of money and entire media outlets to spread your BS.

The overwhelming majority of media consumed in the USA leans left to far-left-progressive.

Ehhhh it’s a matter of perspective. What you think of as far left progressive in the US would be centrist in other places.

[Anonymous]

I doubt it. Admissions offices at top colleges consistently make sure to enroll fewer than 40% white students. This is the college environment they prefer - make sure whites are a minority. They will wait for public outrage to move on and then double-down looking for the next activist AOC or Kamala (an aff action/employee child who STILL couldn’t get into Cal or Stanford) in their applicant pool. It’s unfortunate.

Also, blacks have the same rate of antisemitism as self-declared neo-Nazis. This is consistent in every poll. Think abt that. Hispanics also have increasingly high rates of antisemitism and muslims rates are unsurprisingly off the charts - 75% of Gazans support Hamas.

The demographics of this country are extremely different than they were 40 yrs ago and what is happening on college campuses just reflects that.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really amazing to me how conservatives can attack DEI as being an infringement on the need for unfettered free speech on campus and then also attack it on the grounds that the speech of people opposed to the civilian deaths in Gaza must be limited to avoid harming Jewish students.

And if you try to point that out they make some entirely unsupported claim about how they are being consistent it’s just the universities that weren’t.

I mean I would almost give you props if it wasn’t that you have huge piles of money and entire media outlets to spread your BS.

The overwhelming majority of media consumed in the USA leans left to far-left-progressive.

Citation, please. Most mainstream, well-known news sources in the United States are very centrist (even if they include a few lefty opinion-writers or commentators) and are owned by conglomerates that aren't exactly radical.

Exceptions are the big Sinclair and FOX local news networks, which are much more conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt it. Admissions offices at top colleges consistently make sure to enroll fewer than 40% white students. This is the college environment they prefer - make sure whites are a minority. They will wait for public outrage to move on and then double-down looking for the next activist AOC or Kamala (an aff action/employee child who STILL couldn’t get into Cal or Stanford) in their applicant pool. It’s unfortunate.

Also, blacks have the same rate of antisemitism as self-declared neo-Nazis. This is consistent in every poll. Think abt that. Hispanics also have increasingly high rates of antisemitism and muslims rates are unsurprisingly off the charts - 75% of Gazans support Hamas.

The demographics of this country are extremely different than they were 40 yrs ago and what is happening on college campuses just reflects that.

This means that Black people and neo-Nazis are a small minority of the overall population, as there aren't many neo-Nazis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt it. Admissions offices at top colleges consistently make sure to enroll fewer than 40% white students. This is the college environment they prefer - make sure whites are a minority. They will wait for public outrage to move on and then double-down looking for the next activist AOC or Kamala (an aff action/employee child who STILL couldn’t get into Cal or Stanford) in their applicant pool. It’s unfortunate.

Also, blacks have the same rate of antisemitism as self-declared neo-Nazis. This is consistent in every poll. Think abt that. Hispanics also have increasingly high rates of antisemitism and muslims rates are unsurprisingly off the charts - 75% of Gazans support Hamas.

The demographics of this country are extremely different than they were 40 yrs ago and what is happening on college campuses just reflects that.

This means that Black people and neo-Nazis are a small minority of the overall population, as there aren't many neo-Nazis.

**Black people that are antisemitic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt it. Admissions offices at top colleges consistently make sure to enroll fewer than 40% white students. This is the college environment they prefer - make sure whites are a minority. They will wait for public outrage to move on and then double-down looking for the next activist AOC or Kamala (an aff action/employee child who STILL couldn’t get into Cal or Stanford) in their applicant pool. It’s unfortunate.

Also, blacks have the same rate of antisemitism as self-declared neo-Nazis. This is consistent in every poll. Think abt that. Hispanics also have increasingly high rates of antisemitism and muslims rates are unsurprisingly off the charts - 75% of Gazans support Hamas.

The demographics of this country are extremely different than they were 40 yrs ago and what is happening on college campuses just reflects that.

This means that Black people and neo-Nazis are a small minority of the overall population, as there aren't many neo-Nazis.

Someone doesn’t understand the concept of rates….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt it. Admissions offices at top colleges consistently make sure to enroll fewer than 40% white students. This is the college environment they prefer - make sure whites are a minority. They will wait for public outrage to move on and then double-down looking for the next activist AOC or Kamala (an aff action/employee child who STILL couldn’t get into Cal or Stanford) in their applicant pool. It’s unfortunate.

Also, blacks have the same rate of antisemitism as self-declared neo-Nazis. This is consistent in every poll. Think abt that. Hispanics also have increasingly high rates of antisemitism and muslims rates are unsurprisingly off the charts - 75% of Gazans support Hamas.

The demographics of this country are extremely different than they were 40 yrs ago and what is happening on college campuses just reflects that.

This means that Black people and neo-Nazis are a small minority of the overall population, as there aren't many neo-Nazis.

Someone doesn’t understand the concept of rates….

I do understand. My point is that you are trying to convince people that the majority of Black people are antisemitic. That is not the case.

Also, the majority of DEI efforts on college campuses were introduced and started by white people, who then hired URM people to run these departments/efforts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

There are absolutely paid spin masters on DCUM but mostly just regular people. That said I also see a thread being woven and feel like it is too consistent to be just regular people. I'm 60ish years old and seen bald faced antisemitism since I was little. It was never the granola/hippie/coexist crowd. This idea that those "progressives" are the real bigots has been recent. Less than 10 years? And it does feel like it is connected to the elections.

I'm not a social scientist. I don't have survey data. I'm just an old guy wondering why people I've learned to not trust are now acting like they are (and have been) my true friends all along.

It smells funny. I don't know what it is but I do know it wasn't there before.

The only ones I’ve seen carrying tiki torches and yelling “Jews will not replace us” are white supremacists and white nationalists. I.e the extreme right wing lunatics NOT progressives.

Antisemitism in the US has for some time been a predominantly left wing and frankly black phenomenon. Conservative rural whites are the LEAST likely to believe the Holocaust was a myth.

Look at page 103

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf#page=83

Wow!!!

A link to dox DCUM readers and the kind of spin you only see from olympic gymnastics. I feel like you just served up a baked potato with cheese and butter and bacon bits and chives.

Anything else you want to throw in there? Something about transsexuals or that pizza place?

I haven't read the document in the link but it is somewhat known that blacks aren't necessarily friends to the Jews. This has been going on for quite some time. I dated a Jewish guy in college 30 years ago and remember him talking about that fact. Heck, even much, much prior to 10/7 there are posts on this here message board talking about how Blacks aren't necessarily friends to Jewish people. This isn't spin at all.

DEI isn't all 100% bad or all 100% good. It's not necessarily a bad thing - dare I say it's a good thing - to have our organizations be more inclusive of all diversities.

The bads I see with DEI are it's Hierarchies of Oppression and overly focusing on group identities rather than individuals. To improve DEI, people must face some hard truths - truths they may not want to hear - about DEI in order to fix it.

Don't make this about blacks. People try to turn things into an anti-black narrative. I'm sure you've seen videos of actual Jews in Israel calling black men the N-word.

[Anonymous]

A substantial minority of blacks are antisemitic. A majority of muslims are antisemitic. Happier now?

A substantial proportion of both groups believe the Holocaust either didn’t happen or has been greatly exaggerated.

[Anonymous]

The left loves to propagate this myth that Jews are supposed to live in fear of evangelical Christians when the reality is the main thrust of antisemitism in the U.S. comes from radical black power movements like BLM that are openly pro-Hamas and tainted with all kinds of Farrakhanism along with the standard Jew hatred of radical Islam.

Signed, a Jew who cannot understand why any Jew votes for Democrats