Changes coming to universities’ obsession with DEI?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really amazing to me how conservatives can attack DEI as being an infringement on the need for unfettered free speech on campus and then also attack it on the grounds that the speech of people opposed to the civilian deaths in Gaza must be limited to avoid harming Jewish students.

And if you try to point that out they make some entirely unsupported claim about how they are being consistent it’s just the universities that weren’t.

I mean I would almost give you props if it wasn’t that you have huge piles of money and entire media outlets to spread your BS.

Who is the "you" that you speak of? Let me guess.

[Anonymous]

I think so, OP. It’s a rotten ideology. As its true practical effects become clear, it’s bound to become an albatross.

[Anonymous]

Of course not. Companies who recruit on campus want a diverse hiring cohort; they will expert the university to provide it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really amazing to me how conservatives can attack DEI as being an infringement on the need for unfettered free speech on campus and then also attack it on the grounds that the speech of people opposed to the civilian deaths in Gaza must be limited to avoid harming Jewish students.

And if you try to point that out they make some entirely unsupported claim about how they are being consistent it’s just the universities that weren’t.

I mean I would almost give you props if it wasn’t that you have huge piles of money and entire media outlets to spread your BS.

It's really amazing to me that liberals can proclaim that DEI and advocating the destruction of Israel are "free speech" but will oppose support on campus for any conservative cause as "hate speech" that must be suppressed on grounds of "safety".

It is abundantly obvious that liberals don't care at all about being consistent, and thus it would be stupid for conservatives to bother being consistent (and especially consistent as liberals define it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots period.

Why are Maga uneducated see some of the posts above.

Don’t want DEI send your kid to liberty

I don’t want preachers on campus anymore I don’t want orgs like young life on campus any more. I don’t want Christmas activities. I don’t want professors that pontificate Bible crap at large state universities like University of Florida or at NC state or …,

Your post is incoherent. Are drunk or high?

No kidding - but it is the republicans that are idiots, not PP.

[Anonymous]

DEI efforts/programs on college campuses is less than 5 years old. College costs and administrative bloat was not a problem before DEI? 🤔

It’s going away put the issues around costs will not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI efforts/programs on college campuses is less than 5 years old. College costs and administrative bloat was not a problem before DEI? 🤔

It’s going away put the issues around costs will not.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t believe the will, but that was exactly the suggestion just now by Fareed Zakaria on his CNN show.

Based on the comments so far, I guess Fareed is just a moron!

Clearly, Fareed is a MAGA.

Ironic, though.

If Fareed were walking in MAGA heartland, he'd get yelled at to "go back to your own country", or called a sand n*.

Yes, I know he's Indian American, but don't think MAGA heartland people would make that distinction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really amazing to me how conservatives can attack DEI as being an infringement on the need for unfettered free speech on campus and then also attack it on the grounds that the speech of people opposed to the civilian deaths in Gaza must be limited to avoid harming Jewish students.

And if you try to point that out they make some entirely unsupported claim about how they are being consistent it’s just the universities that weren’t.

I mean I would almost give you props if it wasn’t that you have huge piles of money and entire media outlets to spread your BS.

It's really amazing to me that liberals can proclaim that DEI and advocating the destruction of Israel are "free speech" but will oppose support on campus for any conservative cause as "hate speech" that must be suppressed on grounds of "safety".

It is abundantly obvious that liberals don't care at all about being consistent, and thus it would be stupid for conservatives to bother being consistent (and especially consistent as liberals define it).

hm.. do you suppose conservative universities would be fine with having a trans or satanist give a speech even before DEI became popular?

I grew up in a conservative background. They have never been, nor currently are, anymore supportive of actual free speech than liberals.

Higher ed just tends to lean more liberal. Always has. It's always been about enlightenment and progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doubtful. If anything, they’ll rebrand it with a different name. The administrative bloat isn’t going anywhere.

+1

Bingo. Parents have no idea how bad it is, truly - public AND private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

As a Jewish person, I want to offer a heartfelt F You to the poster above. The relationship between the DEI/social justice movement and antisemitism is real and fundamental. People have been talking about it for years. It has come to head recently because of the firestorm of antisemitism we now see on campus. Don't you dare write it off as a political tactic or as exploiting the atrocities in Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

As a Jewish person, I want to offer a heartfelt F You to the poster above. The relationship between the DEI/social justice movement and antisemitism is real and fundamental. People have been talking about it for years. It has come to head recently because of the firestorm of antisemitism we now see on campus. Don't you dare write it off as a political tactic or as exploiting the atrocities in Israel.

There's some hypocrisy here.

You probably can't/don't see the anti-muslim sentiment in the US because you are blind to anything but antisemitism.

Have you ever given one thought to how the Palestinians have felt for the past 50 years?

-signed a Christian

[Anonymous]

Well it’s blatantly racist and illegal so there’s that.

Red state applicants should start suing the schools since the Supreme Court ruling and take their money away. We’ll see what they care about DEI or their money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

As a Jewish person, I want to offer a heartfelt F You to the poster above. The relationship between the DEI/social justice movement and antisemitism is real and fundamental. People have been talking about it for years. It has come to head recently because of the firestorm of antisemitism we now see on campus. Don't you dare write it off as a political tactic or as exploiting the atrocities in Israel.

There's some hypocrisy here.

You probably can't/don't see the anti-muslim sentiment in the US because you are blind to anything but antisemitism.

Have you ever given one thought to how the Palestinians have felt for the past 50 years?

-signed a Christian

I'm not blind to anything, and you don't know anything about me. I'm speaking directly to this idea that the connection being drawn between progressive ideological activism and antisemitism is political bs, as many leftists are trying to spin it now. They use words like bogeyman, Fox news talking point, etc. But the connection is very real. These folks do a good job articulating it and have been doing so for several years. https://jilv.org/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn thread has been locked, but someone there posted:

Live by DEI, die by DEI. When our colleges (all of them, with very few exceptions) bought into the idea that the entire world is explained by oppressed vs. oppressors, colonizers vs. colonized, this was an inevitable outcome. The next question is whether trustees will go further and start demanding cuts to the administrative bloat that enables a lot of this. This would not only return colleges to the faculty, but cut costs (which actually helps people, vs. choosing the “right” people to help.) This would also reduce the job market for graduates of “x studies” departments, another good thing.

“

Do you believe universities may indeed return to sanity by reducing or eliminating all the waste on DEI on ever-more-expensive campuses?

Right, DEI is the cause for the rising tuition costs, not all the ridiculous amenities.

This. The obsession is with OP, not the colleges.

Yeah, I often wonder if there is a lobbyist or paid political poster on here. They post again and again trying to inject false information, negative vibes or propaganda into DEI, diversity, holistic admissions, URM applicants, etc etc. And using the horror in Israel and Palestine as a wedge to try create false antisemitic implications towards liberals as a whole now. It just seems so politically motivated.

Agree.