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Israeli Jewish woman says Arab man lied about his ethnicity - now he's in jail for rape
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Anonymous
I thought we had outgrown the idea that a "loose" woman deserves what she gets. |
jsteele
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I'm not sure we have outgrown the idea that a woman who has sex with a man she has known for only 20 minutes deserves to find out the guy is a married Arab. That sort of goes with the territory. |
Anonymous
| So if you have sex with a man you've known for 20 minutes you don't deserve honesty during the ground that is covered? Why not? |
Anonymous
He lied to her about his identity which is what is being termed 'rape'. The crime he is charged with is not sex while Arab, but sex while lying. This is not a religious court so conservative judaism has nothing to do with it. |
Anonymous
Do you trust someone you've known for 20 minutes? |
Anonymous
No, no you don't. If you hook up with a guy in a bar, and a few minutes later you are doing it on the roof of a building, and then you split, you don't deserve anything except and orgasm and maybe shame. No, I got that backwards. Maybe and orgasm and definitely shame. You can't slut it up and then profess to scruples afterward. |
Anonymous
| Under what conditions is having sex with someone you've met not 'slutting it up'? Marriage? Super sexist language btw, though I'm sure it reflects your honest feelings. I agree that hook ups can be tawdry. They can also be beautiful. You just don't know what emotionally led to the encounter. If she had known him for two years and then discovered his subterfuge would she have a case? Whether she had sex with him after 20 minutes or after marriage, this case is about his behavior: he LIED. Did she?? |
Anonymous
In the court record, it was fifteen minutes from the first meeting and on a rooftop. Under what circumstances is this not "tawdry"? I hardly think that the only alternative is marriage. Spin my a story that makes me believe this was "beautiful" and I will take it back. BTW he was not riding a horse and he was not holding a glass slipper. |
Anonymous
| He also did not *say* he was Jewish. He had a Jewish nickname. She assumed he was Jewish. How is it lying about your ethnicity if you never said what your ethnicity was in a period of 20 minutes? |
Anonymous
| I don't agree with all the "tawdry" and "slutty" comments. But I don't think it's reasonable to assume full trust and faith in a person you've know for 20 minutes, whether it is in a romantic relationship, business relationship, or whathaveyou. I am offering no judgment on her decision to engage the guy sexually after such a brief encounter. To each their own. I just don't think it's reasonable to expect such a level of trust. I wouldn't invest my money with someone I've known 20 minutes or drive cross country with someone I've known 20 minutes or buy a house from someone I've known 20 minutes. And, if the ethnicity/religion of the person I sleep with is very important, I wouldn't sleep with someone I've known 20 minutes. If it isn't, then bombs away! But it's hard to argue that the quality of the person you sleep with is of utmost importance and then only take 20 minutes to assess that quality. |
Anonymous
| Why , as always, make the issue about the woman's lack of judgment. If he did not outright tell her a lie, the case should be dismissed. If he did, according to their legal precedent that has been applied in other situations, it has merit. Change the law, but don't attack her as 'racist' or a 'slut' for using the existing law if she was LIED to by someone who slept with her under false circumstance. |
Anonymous
I don't know that people are criticizing the woman specifically has racist (though I am bothered by the fact that she would sleep with an Israeli Jew but not a Muslim Palestinian, but to each their own), but more the Israeli legal system, which seems to be more aggressively pursuing this case than other similar ones, with the primary difference being the suspect's ethnicity and the court's apparent disgust with the fact that this was a "Muslim-on-Jew" crime. |
Anonymous
Whether this woman is of low moral character or not is really irrelevant. The legal system isn't really designed to vindicate the rights of disappointed lovers. Everyone gets lied to, or disappointed, in some fashion in romantic encounters. It's part of life. People turn out not to be who we thought they were. Should we be able to sue because Mr. /Ms Right turned out to be Mr./Ms Wrong? Of course not! The injustice here is that the court seems to be saying that Arabs have a responsibility not to present themselves to Jewish women as somehow more available or better than they are -- that they have to be more truthful than others. That's absolutely ridiculous. Is every Jewish man in the state of Israel going to be held to this standard? And how will the courts possibly police it? Plaintiff: He told me he was wonderful with children, but he's not. I want him put in prison. |
Anonymous
| Examples were given prior of this law being applied to Israeli Jewish men. Change the law if you want, but don't complain just when it's applied to an Israeli Arab. It would be utter condescension not to. |
Anonymous
Those two cases are very distinct, and only one of them a rape conviction. He was a guy who was a predator who impersonated a government housing official. He would approach women and promise an exchange of sex for housing. Read the facts of that case before you compare it in any way to this current one. |