Israeli Jewish woman says Arab man lied about his ethnicity - now he's in jail for rape

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read of precedents involving a guy who claimed to be a government agent who could get benefits for the women he seduced and a guy who claimed to be a neurosurgeon. I assume both were Jews and neither became an international cause. Personally, I think the law sucks, but it seems like it's our reaction, not the law, which is driven by race.

Note that I am not claiming that discrimination does not exist in Israel. Driving while Arab may be as risky in Israel as driving while Black is here. All I am saying is that we are making a fuss over an issue we are not really clear about.

Are you saying these people were prosecuted as well (the examples above)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read of precedents involving a guy who claimed to be a government agent who could get benefits for the women he seduced and a guy who claimed to be a neurosurgeon. I assume both were Jews and neither became an international cause. Personally, I think the law sucks, but it seems like it's our reaction, not the law, which is driven by race.

Note that I am not claiming that discrimination does not exist in Israel. Driving while Arab may be as risky in Israel as driving while Black is here. All I am saying is that we are making a fuss over an issue we are not really clear about.

Are you saying these people were prosecuted as well (the examples above)?

The article http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/07/27/2740232/rape-or-racism says
"In one case, a man named Eran Ben-Avraham was convicted on three counts of fraud for telling a woman he was a wealthy neurosurgeon in order to maintain a relationship. In another, Zvi Sleiman was convicted of rape by deception for pretending to be a senior Housing Ministry official and making promises of an apartment to keep his girlfriend. That decision was upheld in 2008 by Israel's Supreme Court."

It also says this:
"In the United States, California and Tennessee have "rape by fraud" legislation, according to CBS News."

[Anonymous]

Never mind what we think about him or her.
What do we think about the Israeli justice system?

I really thought Israel was a beacon of light with their laws. Now I see it as another middle eastern backward state.

[Anonymous]

I don't really take that from this PP. Not at all. He has not been buried to his neck and stoned. Nor has she by the way. There are other similar examples in our own country. Many countries that are 'enlightened' have laws that might need refining or total cleaning off the books---that's what discussions like this often lead to in free societies. Sometimes they don;t and it's frustrating, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater--keep plugging away at reform.

[Anonymous]

Hey, talking about backward legal systems, didn't you see that stuff about California and Tennessee having similar laws? California is supposed to be our laboratory for reform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey, talking about backward legal systems, didn't you see that stuff about California and Tennessee having similar laws? California is supposed to be our laboratory for reform.

I don't see anything wrong with the law. It is just that she is a racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, the court stressed that he was convicted bc he lied about being single when he was actually married - not because he lied about his religion.

If it is illegal to lie to get someone to have sex with you, it is illegal. We dont know how often this law is enforced against Jews as well.

Additionally, many religions, including judaism, prohibit intermarriage/sexual relations with those of other religions. Not due to prejudice or racism, but bc religious law prohibits it and to preserve the religion.

If someone is prohibited from eating pork and someone lies and says its chicken, if fraud is a crime, should they not be prosecuted for that? How is this any different?

The case is not about his marital status. I think this Israeli analyst said it best:

Political analyst Sima Kadmon, in an Op-Ed in the Israeli daily Yediot Achronot, wrote that "If any married man who has ever lied in order to get sex would be charged with rape, there would be no room in our prisons,” “It appears that the court had a problem with Kushour being Arab rather than with him being married."

These two people hooked up and had sex within fifteen minutes of meeting, on top of a nearby building. This was as casual as sex gets. It is absurd that posters are trying to stand up for this when so many Jewish newspapers will not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Political analyst Sima Kadmon, in an Op-Ed in the Israeli daily Yediot Achronot, wrote that "If any married man who has ever lied in order to get sex would be charged with rape, there would be no room in our prisons,” “It appears that the court had a problem with Kushour being Arab rather than with him being married."

These two people hooked up and had sex within fifteen minutes of meeting, on top of a nearby building. This was as casual as sex gets. It is absurd that posters are trying to stand up for this when so many Jewish newspapers will not.

backward people and a backward judicial system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:backward people and a backward judicial system.

Let him (or her) who lives in a country without backward laws cast the first stone. Think of a country that does not allow representation for its own capital, or "defends" marriage by denying people the right to marry whom they love.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Political analyst Sima Kadmon, in an Op-Ed in the Israeli daily Yediot Achronot, wrote that "If any married man who has ever lied in order to get sex would be charged with rape, there would be no room in our prisons,” “It appears that the court had a problem with Kushour being Arab rather than with him being married."

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ITA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:backward people and a backward judicial system.

Let him (or her) who lives in a country without backward laws cast the first stone. Think of a country that does not allow representation for its own capital, or "defends" marriage by denying people the right to marry whom they love.

I do not understand
they are backward and that is it. No excuses.
I did look up to Israel as the one middle eastern country with a viable democracy and a humane legal system. I thought it was on the level of European nations.
I do not think that anymore.

[Anonymous]

If someone is prohibited from eating pork and someone lies and says its chicken, if fraud is a crime, should they not be prosecuted for that? How is this any different?

People who are that religious do not eat any meat that someone else has made or cooked. They only eat the meat that has been bought from a kosher or halaal butchery, and do not go anywhere near other meat sources.
If they do they know they know your chicken is not from a kosher butcher to start off with.

[Anonymous]

I was wondering how long it would take to go from legitimate judicial comentary, to being anti-israel, to inevitably being anti- Jewish. Yep, you fell into the trap that OP set. Post anything about israel, and soon enough the real feelings come out.

But alas, DCUM posters are always the beacons of light to set us straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how long it would take to go from legitimate judicial comentary, to being anti-israel, to inevitably being anti- Jewish. Yep, you fell into the trap that OP set. Post anything about israel, and soon enough the real feelings come out.

But alas, DCUM posters are always the beacons of light to set us straight.

Excuse me, but which statement was critical of Judaism or the Jewish people? I saw statements that are critical of Israel and the Israeli judicial system.

I think you fell into your own trap. Post anything critical of Israel, and you will be called anti-Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Additionally, many religions, including judaism, prohibit intermarriage/sexual relations with those of other religions. Not due to prejudice or racism, but bc religious law prohibits it and to preserve the religion.

Doesn't conservative judaism also prohibit sex outside of marriage? Seems to me this hypocritical woman should face the music for her promiscuity, if she's so pure that consensual sex with an Arab can be termed "rape".