The allure of Duke?

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Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

It wasn't the diversity on campus. It was expressed to me that all of the food service, janitorial and lower level staff are African American. Said to me by Africian American alumni, they felt that it was weird to be served by all African American staff. This was before I lived on the east coast and began to learn how segregated the cities are here, so it sounded really bizarre to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

It wasn't the diversity on campus. It was expressed to me that all of the food service, janitorial and lower level staff are African American. Said to me by Africian American alumni, they felt that it was weird to be served by all African American staff. This was before I lived on the east coast and began to learn how segregated the cities are here, so it sounded really bizarre to me.

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You are going to find that division at most mid-atlantic, southern schools and some northern ones. My law firm in D.C. was the same way.

[Anonymous]

No school is worth over $90K a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

It wasn't the diversity on campus. It was expressed to me that all of the food service, janitorial and lower level staff are African American. Said to me by Africian American alumni, they felt that it was weird to be served by all African American staff. This was before I lived on the east coast and began to learn how segregated the cities are here, so it sounded really bizarre to me.

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You are going to find that division at most mid-atlantic, southern schools and some northern ones. My law firm in D.C. was the same way.

Yes, hence my comment. I had no idea that was the norm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s misleading to label Duke as T10. It’s more like #10-15.

There is minuscule (if any) difference between a T15 and a T10.

So why say 15 when it's actually T10

Envy, often from posters promoting lower Ivies that are not in the T10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s misleading to label Duke as T10. It’s more like #10-15.

There is minuscule (if any) difference between a T15 and a T10.

So why say 15 when it's actually T10

Envy, often from posters promoting lower Ivies that are not in the T10.

+1 I’ve been seeing lots of sour grapes when it comes to Duke lately, and seeing as my kid likely couldn’t get in, I see no reason to add to that just because it won’t be an option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

You’re wrong. This is directly from Duke University: the percentage of NC residents of UNDERGRADUATE students is 7%. Not 16. Scroll down. Please go directly to the source and stop making stuff up.

It’s ok that 93% of Duke’s undergraduate student body is from outside NC. I never posted that the 93% was a “Yankee school” (your words) but so what if it is?! Is there something particularly wrong with a Yankee school? I don’t get it. The number is 7%. Die mad I guess.

https://facts.duke.edu/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

You’re wrong. This is directly from Duke University: the percentage of NC residents of UNDERGRADUATE students is 7%. Not 16. Scroll down. Please go directly to the source and stop making stuff up.

It’s ok that 93% of Duke’s undergraduate student body is from outside NC. I never posted that the 93% was a “Yankee school” (your words) but so what if it is?! Is there something particularly wrong with a Yankee school? I don’t get it. The number is 7%. Die mad I guess.

https://facts.duke.edu/

Yes; if you read the statistics closely (https://facts.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2022/01/duke_at_a_glance.pdf) the 7% figure is specific to the Class of 2026, which is unusually low given that usually about 15% of the total number of undergraduates enroll from North Carolina. Which most likely means that the percentage of North Carolina residents is much higher in the other three undergraduate classes.

Duke specifically stated in its June 2023 press release announcing the new North Carolina financial aid program that "[i]n the 2022-23 academic year, 1,131 North Carolina residents from 65 counties were enrolled as undergraduates, representing 16 percent of the undergraduate student body." (https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/duke-university-provide-full-tuition-nc-and-sc-families-incomes-below-150000#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,half%20attended%20public%20high%20schools.)

I assure you, they do teach critical reading at Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

It wasn't the diversity on campus. It was expressed to me that all of the food service, janitorial and lower level staff are African American. Said to me by Africian American alumni, they felt that it was weird to be served by all African American staff. This was before I lived on the east coast and began to learn how segregated the cities are here, so it sounded really bizarre to me.

Duke is giving them jobs and contributing to the local economy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

You’re wrong. This is directly from Duke University: the percentage of NC residents of UNDERGRADUATE students is 7%. Not 16. Scroll down. Please go directly to the source and stop making stuff up.

It’s ok that 93% of Duke’s undergraduate student body is from outside NC. I never posted that the 93% was a “Yankee school” (your words) but so what if it is?! Is there something particularly wrong with a Yankee school? I don’t get it. The number is 7%. Die mad I guess.

https://facts.duke.edu/

Yes; if you read the statistics closely (https://facts.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2022/01/duke_at_a_glance.pdf) the 7% figure is specific to the Class of 2026, which is unusually low given that usually about 15% of the total number of undergraduates enroll from North Carolina. Which most likely means that the percentage of North Carolina residents is much higher in the other three undergraduate classes.

Duke specifically stated in its June 2023 press release announcing the new North Carolina financial aid program that "[i]n the 2022-23 academic year, 1,131 North Carolina residents from 65 counties were enrolled as undergraduates, representing 16 percent of the undergraduate student body." (https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/duke-university-provide-full-tuition-nc-and-sc-families-incomes-below-150000#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,half%20attended%20public%20high%20schools.)

I assure you, they do teach critical reading at Duke.

So you can’t admit that you’re wrong? The stats are what they are. You are citing some AI generated citation and I am citing Duke Universities own statistics. Duke is a perfectly good school, even a great school that any kid would be lucky to attend. But it’s not pulling a lot of NC kids and that’s ok. Maybe that will change with their new campaign specifically aimed at raising their stats of NC kids. But there are plenty of other private schools that don’t attract a high number of in state kids for one reason or another and they’re still good schools (the first one that comes to mind is University of Richmond).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

You’re wrong. This is directly from Duke University: the percentage of NC residents of UNDERGRADUATE students is 7%. Not 16. Scroll down. Please go directly to the source and stop making stuff up.

It’s ok that 93% of Duke’s undergraduate student body is from outside NC. I never posted that the 93% was a “Yankee school” (your words) but so what if it is?! Is there something particularly wrong with a Yankee school? I don’t get it. The number is 7%. Die mad I guess.

https://facts.duke.edu/

Yes; if you read the statistics closely (https://facts.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2022/01/duke_at_a_glance.pdf) the 7% figure is specific to the Class of 2026, which is unusually low given that usually about 15% of the total number of undergraduates enroll from North Carolina. Which most likely means that the percentage of North Carolina residents is much higher in the other three undergraduate classes.

Duke specifically stated in its June 2023 press release announcing the new North Carolina financial aid program that "[i]n the 2022-23 academic year, 1,131 North Carolina residents from 65 counties were enrolled as undergraduates, representing 16 percent of the undergraduate student body." (https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/duke-university-provide-full-tuition-nc-and-sc-families-incomes-below-150000#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,half%20attended%20public%20high%20schools.)

I assure you, they do teach critical reading at Duke.

So you can’t admit that you’re wrong? The stats are what they are. You are citing some AI generated citation and I am citing Duke Universities own statistics. Duke is a perfectly good school, even a great school that any kid would be lucky to attend. But it’s not pulling a lot of NC kids and that’s ok. Maybe that will change with their new campaign specifically aimed at raising their stats of NC kids. But there are plenty of other private schools that don’t attract a high number of in state kids for one reason or another and they’re still good schools (the first one that comes to mind is University of Richmond).

7% = Class of 2026
15-16% = Total undergraduates

[Anonymous]

Anyone hear whispers on the ED numbers this year? Last year was 4855 for reference

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was applying I had multiple alums express concerns regarding race relations on campus. It sounded weird enough that I was out.

How many years ago? Duke actually has one of the best diversity makeup of the top schools.

Only 40% white, 20% Asian, 10% black, 10% Hispanic… etc.

Those numbers are for the “enrolled student population” which is an aggregate of undergraduate and graduate students. There are around 6,500 undergrad and 10,600 graduate students. It can difficult to ascertain true demographic information of the undergraduate population when they comingle numbers and present them as if they’re representative of the incoming class. They also list things like “foreign” or “nonresident alien” in their racial demographics which I find bizarre. They allow biracial and 3 or more races as their own categories but you have no way of knowing what those races are. The student newspaper the Chronicle tried to do their own survey but allowed students to self identify as more than one race so the percentages did add up correctly.

Needless to say Duke is very white and Asian. It is also only 7% instate which is interesting to me (yes I know it’s private). I can’t seem to find the percentage of US vs nonUS students but I remember a few years ago it was 20% international students.

There is a big push there for the school to be more socioeconomic diverse and they’re being more proactive with that agenda. That being said, they love their legacies and big donors’ kids. It’s not a secret.

North Carolina actually is the most represented state among the student body at Duke with 16% of Duke undergrads enrolling from North Carolina. Certainly not as much as UNC, but to stereotype Duke as a Yankee school dominated by Northerners doesn't really do the school justice. Some of the most prominent figures of the American South (William Styron, Elizabeth Dole, Terry Sanford, etc.) have been associated with the school, and just like with any other so called "national" university, it still very much is influenced by the region it is situated in.

(https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/21/duke-offers-more-aid-students-carolinas#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,160%20are%20from%20South%20Carolina).

You’re wrong. This is directly from Duke University: the percentage of NC residents of UNDERGRADUATE students is 7%. Not 16. Scroll down. Please go directly to the source and stop making stuff up.

It’s ok that 93% of Duke’s undergraduate student body is from outside NC. I never posted that the 93% was a “Yankee school” (your words) but so what if it is?! Is there something particularly wrong with a Yankee school? I don’t get it. The number is 7%. Die mad I guess.

https://facts.duke.edu/

Yes; if you read the statistics closely (https://facts.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2022/01/duke_at_a_glance.pdf) the 7% figure is specific to the Class of 2026, which is unusually low given that usually about 15% of the total number of undergraduates enroll from North Carolina. Which most likely means that the percentage of North Carolina residents is much higher in the other three undergraduate classes.

Duke specifically stated in its June 2023 press release announcing the new North Carolina financial aid program that "[i]n the 2022-23 academic year, 1,131 North Carolina residents from 65 counties were enrolled as undergraduates, representing 16 percent of the undergraduate student body." (https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/duke-university-provide-full-tuition-nc-and-sc-families-incomes-below-150000#:~:text=Duke%20has%20more%20undergraduate%20students,half%20attended%20public%20high%20schools.)

I assure you, they do teach critical reading at Duke.

So you can’t admit that you’re wrong? The stats are what they are. You are citing some AI generated citation and I am citing Duke Universities own statistics. Duke is a perfectly good school, even a great school that any kid would be lucky to attend. But it’s not pulling a lot of NC kids and that’s ok. Maybe that will change with their new campaign specifically aimed at raising their stats of NC kids. But there are plenty of other private schools that don’t attract a high number of in state kids for one reason or another and they’re still good schools (the first one that comes to mind is University of Richmond).

7% = Class of 2026
15-16% = Total undergraduates

Insufferable. Never change Duke grads.